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Post #1Are there any two "bible believing christians" on this site who's interpretation of the words of the bible are identical?
"Holy Scripture: A book sent down from heaven.... Holy Scriptures contain all that a Christian should know and believe, provided he adds to it a million or so commentaries.
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No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means.
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No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means.
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Post #41A monotreme egg laying mammal part marsupial with bone structures consistent with both reptilian and avian species.dianaiad wrote:It does if evolution is how 'God did it."Allahakbar wrote:Well you claimed that god demonstrated his sense of humour by creating the platypus when the platypus is undeniably a result of evolution and not a god's creation.dianaiad wrote:I suppose it does.Allahakbar wrote:Especially when the platypus and the echidna prove evolution all by themselves. Look it up!dianaiad wrote:Two things:Allahakbar wrote:
I'm sorry diana I didn't think you were the type to joke about gods divine guidance. I'll keep it in mind for the future.
If God didn't have a sense of humor, we wouldn't have duck billed platypusses, and if we weren't supposed to have one and enjoy His, then we wouldn't have one and enjoy His.
Of course, my own sense of humor is more along the lines of appreciation than performance for the appreciation of others, but since I do know my own limits there most of the time, we all manage to toddle along OK.
your point?
Hence the platypus doesn't demonstrate gods sense of humour at all. Just sayin'
Perhaps it's not so much that the platypus was a deliberate creation, as it is that it is simply weird and God, enjoying the idea of a funny looking poisonous egg laying mammal with a duck bill and flippers, didn't micromanage it out. If WE find the thing funny, and we are created in His image, it's not too big a stretch to think that He probably does, too.
IMO, of course.
Are you sure that YOUR god was involved in their development?
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Post #42Maybe, it actually was the platypus that was created in His image and we are the big joke.dianaiad wrote:
Perhaps it's not so much that the platypus was a deliberate creation, as it is that it is simply weird and God, enjoying the idea of a funny looking poisonous egg laying mammal with a duck bill and flippers, didn't micromanage it out. If WE find the thing funny, and we are created in His image, it's not too big a stretch to think that He probably does, too.
IMO, of course.
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Post #43Just as there are no two dictionaries using exact same words to define definitions of 'words', you will never find two Christians defining Bible passages the same way either.Allahakbar wrote: Are there any two "bible believing christians" on this site who's interpretation of the words of the bible are identical?
The Bible is like a dictionary, it defines AND interprets its messages and its laws, .. stealing is bad, it's wrong, there is no two ways about it.
Homosexuality is bad, it's wrong and there is no two-ways about it.
The is One God the "I Am Who I Am", and there is no 'three-ways' around it.
God through His Son created the universe, the world and all life on it, and there is no two ways to interpret this. There is no God or laws in the theory of Evolution, evolution is said to have 'evolved laws' as time went on, so any Christian who defines 'creation' other than 'intelligent design by a Creator' is either blind, or fooling with clear Bible definitions.
So yes, there are many, many Christians out there who are identical in interpreting the Words in the Bible, ... but then they through their religious churches indoctrinations end up adding or taking away from its meaning.
Anybody who adds or takes away from the Prophetic Words of the Bible and its proper definitions and interprets it (teaches it) otherwise is a lier who is destined to be cursed. (Revelation 22:18)
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Post #44Given that I believe that 'My" God was responsible for all creation, yeah.Allahakbar wrote:
A monotreme egg laying mammal part marsupial with bone structures consistent with both reptilian and avian species.
Are you sure that YOUR god was involved in their development?
Of course, I think He probably just let the process of evolution do what it does, and was delighted with the results the way the rest of us are.
Why not?
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Post #45I can't speak as to all that, I don't know anything about this "Holy Ghost" business or how it affects literary interpretation.Allahakbar wrote:There is no such thing as subjective interpretation when discussing the believers knowledge of the bible. The holy ghost interprets the word of god for the true believer to understand, there is no subjectivity involved. All understanding of the true believer comes from the holy ghost and yet all of the true believers believe something different. That must mean that the holy ghost doesn't understand the word of god.Filthy Tugboat wrote:How do you want to bet? How do you plan to demonstrate that you are correct on the matter?Allahakbar wrote:I've never read Harry Potter, but I'm willing to bet there are more people on the planet who have identical understandings of those books than there are people who have identical understandings of the bible, cos that number seems to be zero.Filthy Tugboat wrote:Are there any two people anywhere who's interpretation of the words of any book (fiction or other) are identical?Allahakbar wrote: Are there any two "bible believing christians" on this site who's interpretation of the words of the bible are identical?
The very fact that different people are reading it necessitates that a different interpretation will be read. We will imagine different characters out of the same descriptions. We will relate differently to the characters in the story. I've read that series a few times and each time I interpreted it differently. I can't stress enough that you don't know what you're talking about regarding subjective interpretation.
Religion feels to me a little like a Nigerian Prince scam. The "offer" is illegitimate, the "request" is unreasonable and the source is dubious, in fact, Nigeria doesn't even have a royal family.
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Post #46Post a few theological positions of orthodox belief and see if we agree totally.arian wrote:Just as there are no two dictionaries using exact same words to define definitions of 'words', you will never find two Christians defining Bible passages the same way either.Allahakbar wrote: Are there any two "bible believing christians" on this site who's interpretation of the words of the bible are identical?
The Bible is like a dictionary, it defines AND interprets its messages and its laws, .. stealing is bad, it's wrong, there is no two ways about it.
Homosexuality is bad, it's wrong and there is no two-ways about it.
The is One God the "I Am Who I Am", and there is no 'three-ways' around it.
God through His Son created the universe, the world and all life on it, and there is no two ways to interpret this. There is no God or laws in the theory of Evolution, evolution is said to have 'evolved laws' as time went on, so any Christian who defines 'creation' other than 'intelligent design by a Creator' is either blind, or fooling with clear Bible definitions.
So yes, there are many, many Christians out there who are identical in interpreting the Words in the Bible, ... but then they through their religious churches indoctrinations end up adding or taking away from its meaning.
Anybody who adds or takes away from the Prophetic Words of the Bible and its proper definitions and interprets it (teaches it) otherwise is a lier who is destined to be cursed. (Revelation 22:18)
Start with the empty tomb.
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I am an atheist.
I believe in God as the Creator of the Universe. I believe that there is an eternal life after we die and heavan and a hell. And, that the Jesus recorded in the New Testament is the Messiah and is actually The God of the Universe, Creator of everything seen and unseen and yet to be discovered.
I believe in God as the Creator of the Universe. I believe that there is an eternal life after we die and heavan and a hell. And, that the Jesus recorded in the New Testament is the Messiah and is actually The God of the Universe, Creator of everything seen and unseen and yet to be discovered.
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At first, this post hurt my brain, but then I realized, he discounts thousands of god concepts, just like atheists do. Atheists, just take it one god further than him.99percentatheism wrote: I am an atheist.
I believe in God as the Creator of the Universe. I believe that there is an eternal life after we die and heavan and a hell. And, that the Jesus recorded in the New Testament is the Messiah and is actually The God of the Universe, Creator of everything seen and unseen and yet to be discovered.
So in reality, he is a theist, but he is also very close to being a full on atheist.
What I don't understand is discounting all god concepts as false... except for the one I choose to follow and choose to use as a weapon to judge my fellow man with.
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Post #49OK, .. the tomb was empty.99percentatheism wrote:Post a few theological positions of orthodox belief and see if we agree totally.arian wrote:Just as there are no two dictionaries using exact same words to define definitions of 'words', you will never find two Christians defining Bible passages the same way either.Allahakbar wrote: Are there any two "bible believing christians" on this site who's interpretation of the words of the bible are identical?
The Bible is like a dictionary, it defines AND interprets its messages and its laws, .. stealing is bad, it's wrong, there is no two ways about it.
Homosexuality is bad, it's wrong and there is no two-ways about it.
The is One God the "I Am Who I Am", and there is no 'three-ways' around it.
God through His Son created the universe, the world and all life on it, and there is no two ways to interpret this. There is no God or laws in the theory of Evolution, evolution is said to have 'evolved laws' as time went on, so any Christian who defines 'creation' other than 'intelligent design by a Creator' is either blind, or fooling with clear Bible definitions.
So yes, there are many, many Christians out there who are identical in interpreting the Words in the Bible, ... but then they through their religious churches indoctrinations end up adding or taking away from its meaning.
Anybody who adds or takes away from the Prophetic Words of the Bible and its proper definitions and interprets it (teaches it) otherwise is a lier who is destined to be cursed. (Revelation 22:18)
Start with the empty tomb.
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Post #50Many an atheist would also claim that the tomb was empty.arian wrote:OK, .. the tomb was empty.99percentatheism wrote:Post a few theological positions of orthodox belief and see if we agree totally.arian wrote:Just as there are no two dictionaries using exact same words to define definitions of 'words', you will never find two Christians defining Bible passages the same way either.Allahakbar wrote: Are there any two "bible believing christians" on this site who's interpretation of the words of the bible are identical?
The Bible is like a dictionary, it defines AND interprets its messages and its laws, .. stealing is bad, it's wrong, there is no two ways about it.
Homosexuality is bad, it's wrong and there is no two-ways about it.
The is One God the "I Am Who I Am", and there is no 'three-ways' around it.
God through His Son created the universe, the world and all life on it, and there is no two ways to interpret this. There is no God or laws in the theory of Evolution, evolution is said to have 'evolved laws' as time went on, so any Christian who defines 'creation' other than 'intelligent design by a Creator' is either blind, or fooling with clear Bible definitions.
So yes, there are many, many Christians out there who are identical in interpreting the Words in the Bible, ... but then they through their religious churches indoctrinations end up adding or taking away from its meaning.
Anybody who adds or takes away from the Prophetic Words of the Bible and its proper definitions and interprets it (teaches it) otherwise is a lier who is destined to be cursed. (Revelation 22:18)
Start with the empty tomb.
Most Christian theists will see it as empty due to actions taken by the corpse.
Everyone else will see it as empty due to actions taken by the living.
We cannot say for sure who is right, much less prove that Jesus ever existed, but to credit a corpse over the action of the living is nonsensical to me.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb

