The Gay Denomination?

[99percentatheism]

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

[Allahakbar]

Allahakbar

[Replying to post 1814 by 99percentatheism]

Hey 99 have you managed to find a passage quoting Jesus where he so much as mentions homosexuality, let alone condemns it?

Jesus was an orthodox Jew.

Gay behavior was a death sentence to His religious beliefs. Pagan practice more than anything else.

It's not academic-based to see His silence on homosexuality as affirmation of an abomination/detestable act. Of course, you could produce one place where Jesus redefined marriage as same gender couplings? Oops, since you can't and never will be able to, your support from silence is unreasonable.

You are left to do as the OP suggests, start your own religion or denom that champions any sexual behavior you desire.

Then, the honest Christians that hold to marrage as Jesus taught (something like 50% according to polls?) can be respected, supported and encouraged for their honesty.

Who's stopping even the extreme fringe fundamentalist christians from defining marriage anyway they want?

I wouldn't know. I do not interact with extreme fringe fundamentalists in Christian life. The only extremist fringers I deal with are gay activists like you.

You can define it as between a goat and donkey if you like, nobody is stopping you.

Yeah, you're right. Jesus never mentioned marrying goats and donkeys.

Soooooo, marrying goats and donkeys is OK with Jesus.

But you don't have the right to declare what marriage is for anybody else in the world.

Why not? The LGBT's do.

Do you understand that?

Do you understand that I wrote the OP in this thread? A thread read by over 74-thousand views?

So basically, the reply you just offered up . . . is your throwing in the towel right?

And there we have another demonstration of the absolute ignorance of the bewildered being presented as knowledge.
The LGBT are not trying to define marriage for anyone but themselves. I'm sure that they would have no objection at all with you marrying a goat.

[A Troubled Man]

That is baseless. It is the LGBT community that comes harrassing Churches and the congregations about their Christian lives. I have never seen or heard of a Christian running into a "Gay Church" (MCC) and disrupting the services there. But many times homosexuals run into, scream and disrupt Christians in the Churches. Look up the Sisters of Indulgence and get back to us.

We aren't talking about churches, we are talking about homophobic Christians who refuse the rights of others while claiming religious freedom and demanding rights for themselves. You have firmly and dishonestly placed the cart before the horse.

[99percentatheism]

Allahakbar

[Replying to post 1814 by 99percentatheism]

Hey 99 have you managed to find a passage quoting Jesus where he so much as mentions homosexuality, let alone condemns it?

Jesus was an orthodox Jew.

Gay behavior was a death sentence to His religious beliefs. Pagan practice more than anything else.

It's not academic-based to see His silence on homosexuality as affirmation of an abomination/detestable act. Of course, you could produce one place where Jesus redefined marriage as same gender couplings? Oops, since you can't and never will be able to, your support from silence is unreasonable.

You are left to do as the OP suggests, start your own religion or denom that champions any sexual behavior you desire.

Then, the honest Christians that hold to marrage as Jesus taught (something like 50% according to polls?) can be respected, supported and encouraged for their honesty.

Who's stopping even the extreme fringe fundamentalist christians from defining marriage anyway they want?

I wouldn't know. I do not interact with extreme fringe fundamentalists in Christian life. The only extremist fringers I deal with are gay activists like you.

You can define it as between a goat and donkey if you like, nobody is stopping you.

Yeah, you're right. Jesus never mentioned marrying goats and donkeys.

Soooooo, marrying goats and donkeys is OK with Jesus.

But you don't have the right to declare what marriage is for anybody else in the world.

Why not? The LGBT's do.

Do you understand that?

Do you understand that I wrote the OP in this thread? A thread read by over 74-thousand views?

So basically, the reply you just offered up . . . is your throwing in the towel right?

And there we have another demonstration of the absolute ignorance of the bewildered being presented as knowledge.
The LGBT are not trying to define marriage for anyone but themselves. I'm sure that they would have no objection at all with you marrying a goat.

Overturning Prop 8 was exactly the LGBT minority demanding that everyone agree that same gender marriage is totally agreeable. There is no one in California that any longer has the right to teach children that marriage is (or was) man and woman/husband and wife in any public or private school discourse.

Of course the ghettoization of Churches by the new creation of hate crimes laws may just allow Christians to preach andteach the inapproproateness of homosexuality for Christians, but the free speech rights and histopric ability to preach the Christian life is al but eliminated in society. And Engels help you if you dare say anything at work or in your own busienss.

I one fell swoop, the Christian message of holiness of marriage is now all but illegal if said anywhere outside of Church walls.

Of course.

When will there be a Christiannact?

Since the Chick-fil-A incident, where major city Mayors denounced Christians and their beliefs as incompatible with their cities beliefs . . . things don't look to be to bright for the future of Christians and Christianity "in the west" either.

Like I've written elsewhere, it sure looks like Christians are hemmed in by LGBT Activists, Islamists and Secularists.

It's actually rather fascinating to watch, and of course, experience.

As Peter writes:

Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler. Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name. For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And

“If the righteous is scarcely saved,
what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?�

[Allahakbar]

Allahakbar

[Replying to post 1814 by 99percentatheism]

Hey 99 have you managed to find a passage quoting Jesus where he so much as mentions homosexuality, let alone condemns it?

Jesus was an orthodox Jew.

Gay behavior was a death sentence to His religious beliefs. Pagan practice more than anything else.

It's not academic-based to see His silence on homosexuality as affirmation of an abomination/detestable act. Of course, you could produce one place where Jesus redefined marriage as same gender couplings? Oops, since you can't and never will be able to, your support from silence is unreasonable.

You are left to do as the OP suggests, start your own religion or denom that champions any sexual behavior you desire.

Then, the honest Christians that hold to marrage as Jesus taught (something like 50% according to polls?) can be respected, supported and encouraged for their honesty.

Who's stopping even the extreme fringe fundamentalist christians from defining marriage anyway they want?

I wouldn't know. I do not interact with extreme fringe fundamentalists in Christian life. The only extremist fringers I deal with are gay activists like you.

You can define it as between a goat and donkey if you like, nobody is stopping you.

Yeah, you're right. Jesus never mentioned marrying goats and donkeys.

Soooooo, marrying goats and donkeys is OK with Jesus.

But you don't have the right to declare what marriage is for anybody else in the world.

Why not? The LGBT's do.

Do you understand that?

Do you understand that I wrote the OP in this thread? A thread read by over 74-thousand views?

So basically, the reply you just offered up . . . is your throwing in the towel right?

And there we have another demonstration of the absolute ignorance of the bewildered being presented as knowledge.
The LGBT are not trying to define marriage for anyone but themselves. I'm sure that they would have no objection at all with you marrying a goat.

Overturning Prop 8 was exactly the LGBT minority demanding that everyone agree that same gender marriage is totally agreeable. There is no one in California that any longer has the right to teach children that marriage is (or was) man and woman/husband and wife in any public or private school discourse.

Of course the ghettoization of Churches by the new creation of hate crimes laws may just allow Christians to preach andteach the inapproproateness of homosexuality for Christians, but the free speech rights and histopric ability to preach the Christian life is al but eliminated in society. And Engels help you if you dare say anything at work or in your own busienss.

I one fell swoop, the Christian message of holiness of marriage is now all but illegal if said anywhere outside of Church walls.

Of course.

When will there be a Christiannact?

Since the Chick-fil-A incident, where major city Mayors denounced Christians and their beliefs as incompatible with their cities beliefs . . . things don't look to be to bright for the future of Christians and Christianity "in the west" either.

Like I've written elsewhere, it sure looks like Christians are hemmed in by LGBT Activists, Islamists and Secularists.

It's actually rather fascinating to watch, and of course, experience.

As Peter writes:

Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler. Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name. For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And

“If the righteous is scarcely saved,
what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?�

Peter didn't write anything. Is that pope peter?

[99percentatheism]

Uno mas por favor:

Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

- Jude, to fellow Christians

[KCKID]

Uno mas por favor:

Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. - Jude, to fellow Christians

Is the above text supposed to have something to do with homosexuality? You feature it periodically with which to make some point but I'm not sure what your point is. Still, I have been trying to work it out and I think I might have gotten it at last. Let's see:

Take the "h" from "while"
the "o" from "to"
an "m" from "common"
another "o" from "found"
the "s" from "salvation"
an "e" from "necessary"
the "x" from "exhorting"
the "u" from "you"
the "a" from "was"
the "l" from "delivered"
the "i" from "saints"
the "t" from "certain", and
the "y" from "ungodly".

There! This text DOES reference homosexuality! You sneaky rascal, you!

[99percentatheism]

Uno mas por favor:

Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. - Jude, to fellow Christians

Is the above text supposed to have something to do with homosexuality? You feature it periodically with which to make some point but I'm not sure what your point is. Still, I have been trying to work it out and I think I might have gotten it at last. Let's see:

Take the "h" from "while"
the "o" from "to"
an "m" from "common"
another "o" from "found"
the "s" from "salvation"
an "e" from "necessary"
the "x" from "exhorting"
the "u" from "you"
the "a" from "was"
the "l" from "delivered"
the "i" from "saints"
the "t" from "certain", and
the "y" from "ungodly".

There! This text DOES reference homosexuality! You sneaky rascal, you!

Red Herring noted. Theological dodge filed under D.

KID here you go:

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.

Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

- Paul to Roman Christians

And for all of those that "worship" the secular courts:

So if you have law courts dealing with matters of this life, do you appoint them as judges who are of no account in the church?

I say this to your shame.

Is it so, that there is not among you one wise man who will be able to decide between his brethren, but brother goes to law with brother, and that before unbelievers?

Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded? On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren.

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?

Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

- Paul to Roman Christians

. . . to others show mercy with fear, hating even the garment stained by the flesh.

- Jude to fellow Christians

"When in Rome,"

. . . a Christian does what a Christian should.

And KID, the word "homosexual" is already spelled out for you. I thought I'd save you the time and effort.

[Allahakbar]

Uno mas por favor:

Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. - Jude, to fellow Christians

Is the above text supposed to have something to do with homosexuality? You feature it periodically with which to make some point but I'm not sure what your point is. Still, I have been trying to work it out and I think I might have gotten it at last. Let's see:

Take the "h" from "while"
the "o" from "to"
an "m" from "common"
another "o" from "found"
the "s" from "salvation"
an "e" from "necessary"
the "x" from "exhorting"
the "u" from "you"
the "a" from "was"
the "l" from "delivered"
the "i" from "saints"
the "t" from "certain", and
the "y" from "ungodly".

There! This text DOES reference homosexuality! You sneaky rascal, you!

Red Herring noted. Theological dodge filed under D.

KID here you go:

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.

Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

- Paul to Roman Christians

So god gave them sinful desires and then got them to act on those desires in some pagan worship ceremony and apparently was already punishing them in themselves. Besides the FACT that it was Paul writing those absurdities, there ain't no prohibition in there.

[99percentatheism]

Allahakbar

Uno mas por favor:

Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. - Jude, to fellow Christians

Is the above text supposed to have something to do with homosexuality? You feature it periodically with which to make some point but I'm not sure what your point is. Still, I have been trying to work it out and I think I might have gotten it at last. Let's see:

Take the "h" from "while"
the "o" from "to"
an "m" from "common"
another "o" from "found"
the "s" from "salvation"
an "e" from "necessary"
the "x" from "exhorting"
the "u" from "you"
the "a" from "was"
the "l" from "delivered"
the "i" from "saints"
the "t" from "certain", and
the "y" from "ungodly".

There! This text DOES reference homosexuality! You sneaky rascal, you!

Red Herring noted. Theological dodge filed under D.

KID here you go:

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.

Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

- Paul to Roman Christians

So god gave them sinful desires and then got them to act on those desires in some pagan worship ceremony and apparently was already punishing them in themselves.

God gave them up. Or rather gave up on them. I can see why. And as you pint out over and over again, I am far from being divine.

Besides the FACT that it was Paul writing those absurdities, there ain't no prohibition in there.

Paul wrote his observations about people engaging in homosexuality and made the logical conclusion.

Sure looks like nothing has changed there. Reality is a great teacher.

[Allahakbar]

Allahakbar

Uno mas por favor:

Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. - Jude, to fellow Christians

Is the above text supposed to have something to do with homosexuality? You feature it periodically with which to make some point but I'm not sure what your point is. Still, I have been trying to work it out and I think I might have gotten it at last. Let's see:

Take the "h" from "while"
the "o" from "to"
an "m" from "common"
another "o" from "found"
the "s" from "salvation"
an "e" from "necessary"
the "x" from "exhorting"
the "u" from "you"
the "a" from "was"
the "l" from "delivered"
the "i" from "saints"
the "t" from "certain", and
the "y" from "ungodly".

There! This text DOES reference homosexuality! You sneaky rascal, you!

Red Herring noted. Theological dodge filed under D.

KID here you go:

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.

Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

- Paul to Roman Christians

So god gave them sinful desires and then got them to act on those desires in some pagan worship ceremony and apparently was already punishing them in themselves.

God gave them up. Or rather gave up on them. I can see why. And as you pint out over and over again, I am far from being divine.

Besides the FACT that it was Paul writing those absurdities, there ain't no prohibition in there.

Paul wrote his observations about people engaging in homosexuality and made the logical conclusion.

Sure looks like nothing has changed there. Reality is a great teacher.

If the punishment for those acts was death and god was there egging them on, why didn't he just kill them?
Paul saw these acts and assumed he knew what god was saying about them, that is not a good path to wander down.