The Gay Denomination?

[99percentatheism]

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

[connermt]

Why the need for a specifically 'Gay Church'? Below is a list of the most recently compiled "Gay Friendly" Churches in Australia.

WELCOMING GAY FRIENDLY CHURCHES IN AUSTRALIA

Integrity Adelaide. Adelaide. Anglican
Ashfield Parish Mission. Ashfield. Uniting Church
Burdekin Uniting Church. Ayr QLD. Uniting Church
Balmain Uniting Church. Balmain. Uniting Church
Blackwood Uniting Church. Blackwood, Adelaide. Uniting Church
Bondi Beach, Chapel By The Sea. Bondi Beach. Uniting Church
St. John’s Anglican Cathedral. Brisbane, QLD. Anglican
MCC Brisbane. Brisbane, QLD. MCC
New Way Community Chapel. Brisbane, QLD. Non-denominational
Brunswick Baptist Church. Brunswick. Baptist
Canberra Baptist Church. Canberra City. Baptist
Canberra City Uniting Church. Canberra City. Uniting Church
Church of the Trinity. Clarence Park. Uniting Church
Community Church of Saint Mark. Clifton Hill. Baptist
St. James’ Congregation. Curtin, Canberra. Uniting Church
Christ Church Anglican Cathedral. Darwin. Anglican
United Ecumenical Catholic Church. Dundas Valley. Ecumenical Catholic Church
Yilki Uniting Church. Encounter bay. Uniting Church
St. Chad’s Anglican Church. Fullarton. Anglican
Glebe Café Church. Glebe. Uniting Church
Gordon Uniting Church. Gordon. Uniting Church
MCC Good Shepherd. Granville. MCC
Homebush Uniting Church. Homebush. Uniting Church
Wayside Chapel Parish Mission. Kings Cross. Uniting Church
St. Ninian’s Congregation. Lyneham. Uniting Church
Integrity Melbourne. Melbourne. Anglican
Ashburton Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
Box Hill Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
Collins Street Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
East Doncaster Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
Footscray Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
St. Kilda Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
MCC Melbourne. Melbourne. MCC
Acts2Faith Fellowship. Melbourne. Non-denominational
Nambucca Heads Uniting Church. Nambucca Heads. Uniting Church
Hamilton Uniting Church. Newcastle. Uniting Church
North Adelaide Baptist Church. North Adelaide. Baptist
Paddington Uniting Church. Paddington. Uniting Church
The Open Door. Penrith. Community of Christ
Randwick Uniting Church. Randwick. Uniting Church
Strathfield Uniting Church. Strathfield. Uniting Church
St. Andrews Anglican Church. Subiaco. Anglican
St. James King Street. Sydney. Anglican
Community of Christ Our Hope. Sydney. Ecumenical Catholic Church of Australia
Crave MCC. Sydney, Paddington. MCC
MCC Sydney. Sydney. MCC
Pitt Street Congregation. Sydney. Uniting Church
South Sydney Uniting Church. Sydney. Uniting Church
Waverley Lugar Brae Uniting Church. Waverley. Uniting Church
Footscray Baptist Church. Victoria, Footscray. Baptist
South Yarra Community Baptist Church. Victoria. South Yarra. Baptist
St. Francis & St. Clare Liberal catholic Mission. Victoria. Liberal Catholic Church
Westgate Baptist Community. Yarraville. Baptist

KID,

You decry and disparage Christianity and Christians, yet you support Christians and Christianity when it suits your agenda.

Why would you want your fellow LGBT's to join Christian Churches? Especially since your version can change at anytime for any whim of any of the members.

To be fair, this is little different than what christians have done through the centuries: following what fits their agenda, ignoring &/or admending &/or making excuses for things that don't.
You see, it's easy to do such a thing with a belief system when there's no tactile boundaries.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 1855:

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Now, if you could show why homosexuals shouldn't invent their own religion, or at least if they want to purport to identify as Christians, should have the decency to do it in their own shops.

Exactly!

Y'all all create you all a religion that hates on others, and loves those within, just as bad as the Christian religion has done for itself.

[KCKID]

Why the need for a specifically 'Gay Church'? Below is a list of the most recently compiled "Gay Friendly" Churches in Australia.

WELCOMING GAY FRIENDLY CHURCHES IN AUSTRALIA

Integrity Adelaide. Adelaide. Anglican
Ashfield Parish Mission. Ashfield. Uniting Church
Burdekin Uniting Church. Ayr QLD. Uniting Church
Balmain Uniting Church. Balmain. Uniting Church
Blackwood Uniting Church. Blackwood, Adelaide. Uniting Church
Bondi Beach, Chapel By The Sea. Bondi Beach. Uniting Church
St. John’s Anglican Cathedral. Brisbane, QLD. Anglican
MCC Brisbane. Brisbane, QLD. MCC
New Way Community Chapel. Brisbane, QLD. Non-denominational
Brunswick Baptist Church. Brunswick. Baptist
Canberra Baptist Church. Canberra City. Baptist
Canberra City Uniting Church. Canberra City. Uniting Church
Church of the Trinity. Clarence Park. Uniting Church
Community Church of Saint Mark. Clifton Hill. Baptist
St. James’ Congregation. Curtin, Canberra. Uniting Church
Christ Church Anglican Cathedral. Darwin. Anglican
United Ecumenical Catholic Church. Dundas Valley. Ecumenical Catholic Church
Yilki Uniting Church. Encounter bay. Uniting Church
St. Chad’s Anglican Church. Fullarton. Anglican
Glebe Café Church. Glebe. Uniting Church
Gordon Uniting Church. Gordon. Uniting Church
MCC Good Shepherd. Granville. MCC
Homebush Uniting Church. Homebush. Uniting Church
Wayside Chapel Parish Mission. Kings Cross. Uniting Church
St. Ninian’s Congregation. Lyneham. Uniting Church
Integrity Melbourne. Melbourne. Anglican
Ashburton Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
Box Hill Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
Collins Street Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
East Doncaster Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
Footscray Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
St. Kilda Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
MCC Melbourne. Melbourne. MCC
Acts2Faith Fellowship. Melbourne. Non-denominational
Nambucca Heads Uniting Church. Nambucca Heads. Uniting Church
Hamilton Uniting Church. Newcastle. Uniting Church
North Adelaide Baptist Church. North Adelaide. Baptist
Paddington Uniting Church. Paddington. Uniting Church
The Open Door. Penrith. Community of Christ
Randwick Uniting Church. Randwick. Uniting Church
Strathfield Uniting Church. Strathfield. Uniting Church
St. Andrews Anglican Church. Subiaco. Anglican
St. James King Street. Sydney. Anglican
Community of Christ Our Hope. Sydney. Ecumenical Catholic Church of Australia
Crave MCC. Sydney, Paddington. MCC
MCC Sydney. Sydney. MCC
Pitt Street Congregation. Sydney. Uniting Church
South Sydney Uniting Church. Sydney. Uniting Church
Waverley Lugar Brae Uniting Church. Waverley. Uniting Church
Footscray Baptist Church. Victoria, Footscray. Baptist
South Yarra Community Baptist Church. Victoria. South Yarra. Baptist
St. Francis & St. Clare Liberal catholic Mission. Victoria. Liberal Catholic Church
Westgate Baptist Community. Yarraville. Baptist

KID,

You decry and disparage Christianity and Christians, yet you support Christians and Christianity when it suits your agenda.

The only Christianity and Christians that I decry and disparage are those that preach a hate message like that of yourself. Hate messages have no place within Christianity and I applaud the above churches for welcoming those whose only 'sin' is that they are gay.

Why would you want your fellow LGBT's to join Christian Churches?

Because such 'fellow' (?) LGBT's evidently feel the need to join a church and there ARE gay welcoming churches available for them. What is it about that that you don't understand?

Especially since your version can change at anytime for any whim of any of the members.

For me the Christian experience has been an ever changing one as I receive new light. Some - no mention of any names - remain stagnant in their Christianity thus making it non-effective for either themselves or for others.

[99percentatheism]

KCKID:

KID,

You decry and disparage Christianity and Christians, yet you support Christians and Christianity when it suits your agenda.

The only Christianity and Christians that I decry and disparage are those that preach a hate message like that of yourself. Hate messages have no place within Christianity and I applaud the above churches for welcoming those whose only 'sin' is that they are gay.

"Gay" as a label for same gender sex acts and those that engage in it is a neologism of the 20th century. Homosexuality from the 19th. Same gender sex acts are inappropriate for Christians to engage in. Calling the Gospel and repentance "hate" as it is presented in the New Testament is propaganda of the "gay agenda."

It's not surprinsing that you use the technique and tactic. It is very effective. As all propaganda of group-think and mob rule usually is.

Why would you want your fellow LGBT's to join Christian Churches?

Because such 'fellow' (?) LGBT's evidently feel the need to join a church and there ARE gay welcoming churches available for them. What is it about that that you don't understand?

Seducing and predatory behavior is easy to understand. As you know so well, Jude and Peter and the others wrote to us about these kinds of people even being in The Church.

Especially since your version can change at anytime for any whim of any of the members.

For me the Christian experience has been an ever changing one as I receive new light. Some - no mention of any names - remain stagnant in their Christianity thus making it non-effective for either themselves or for others.

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I have come to know your style of belief system all to well. It is the spirit of this age. From the rise of humanism to the power of the homosexual community. I've never said that this power isn't derived from very cunning and intelligent entities.

It boils down to anything goes. Of course it does. This is the story of mankind and the Bible details it and how it looks. If anyone really believes that this LGBT thing is about the purity of "marriage" is far beyond lost.

KID, do you really believe that the throngs of celebrants partying and reveling in the gaity about the Supreme Court decision here in America about overturning the vote of the majority of Californians in the Prop 8 case, OR the destruction of the Defense Of Marriage Act, rejoiced that they now should keep themselves virgins until they meet Mr or Mr, or Mrs or Mrs Right? Do you really believe this is about sexual purity and holy matrimony? I can't believe that even you believe that. And please, please, don't compare the wrongs commited by straight people to say that LGBT's are no different in their cause. Comparing depraved straights to the "rights" sought by LGBT's is rather a dubious Christian morality don't you think? The promiscuity of that night was more than likely legion in scope. I didn't see a rush for the alter and a Preacher did you?

There is no compatibility of gay activism to Christian life. LGBT's bring in rainbow pride and I have never heard a sermon by any homosedxual or pro-gay person, preach a Christian maessage of purity of righteousness that didn't come through a gay pride paradigm. Not once. Go to any gay religious site and see for yourself. The rainbow flag is an idiol in every sense of the word. And as you know, I have been falsely accused of being gay, because I read many a gay product here on the web and in those gay affirming denoms you mention. The Gospel must be filtered through LGBT beliefs and worldviews each and every time. That is very telling as to what gay activists, with their gay theology seek "in The Church." It is the preaching of a decidely "different gospel."

[Clownboat]

And please, please, don't compare the wrongs commited by straight people to say that LGBT's are no different in their cause.

You seem to understand that there are all kinds of straight people out there, but the gay community all follows some cause that you seem to think is about dismantling your religion.

What seems more likely? The gays are out to get you and your church?

or

Religious paranoia is a condition which has been compared to extremism and intolerance.[1] It has been cited as a possible contributor to political violence.[2][3] It is often related to splitting, psychological projection, a desire to maintain a sense of purity in situations of real or perceived persecution, and rigid and unchallengeable attitudes.

My life experience leads me to believe that the later is more likely.

[Danmark]

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I have come to know your style of belief system all to well. It is the spirit of this age. From the rise of humanism to the power of the homosexual community. I've never said that this power isn't derived from very cunning and intelligent entities.

It boils down to anything goes. Of course it does. This is the story of mankind and the Bible details it and how it looks. ....

Your view represents one of the problems that arises when religion is used to justify discrimination against a group of people. Religion isn't the only culprit, just one of the influences more resistent to change due to better education and understanding.

The psychological community has had its own problems in this regard, improperly classifying homosexuality in its 1952 edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.


In 1952, the APA listed homosexuality in the DSM as a sociopathic personality disturbance. Homosexuality: A Psychoanalytic Study of Male Homosexuals, a large-scale 1962 study of homosexuality, was used to justify inclusion of the disorder as a supposed pathological hidden fear of the opposite sex caused by traumatic parent–child relationships. This view was widely influential in the medical profession. In 1956, however, the psychologist Evelyn Hooker performed a study that compared the happiness and well-adjusted nature of self-identified homosexual men with heterosexual men and found no difference. Her study stunned the medical community and made her a hero to many gay men and lesbians, but homosexuality remained in the DSM until May 1974.
_ Wikipedia
This highlights one of the differences between religion and science. Science learns, changes, grows and aids our understanding of the world. Religion, at least your version of it, gives aid and comfort to bigotry and resists an honest search for truth.

We are only now coming out of a Centuries long history of racial bigotry. The Bible was long used to perpetuate the idea that certain races were inferior and contemptible. Pseudo science and the law were both used to buttress these false beliefs. The parallel between man's legacy of racism and its views on homosexuality is obvious.

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. And please, please, don't compare the wrongs commited by straight people to say that LGBT's are no different in their cause. Comparing depraved straights to the "rights" sought by LGBT's is rather a dubious Christian morality don't you think? "

99 I'm a little confused....are you saying that in fact there are gay people...cause i thought the fundamental christian postion was they were straight people with depraved sexual lifestyles.....yes/no????....whats this comparing depraved straights to LGBT's......as far as your concerned are they not the same...or are you admitting there are in fact gay people?????


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[mitty]

KCKID:

KID,
Do you really believe this is about sexual purity and holy matrimony? ."

What is holy matrimony and where is it described in the bible? Or is it just another church sacrament which was introduced to raise money for the church, like the confessional and indulgences etc?

[99percentatheism]

Clownboat

And please, please, don't compare the wrongs commited by straight people to say that LGBT's are no different in their cause.

You seem to understand that there are all kinds of straight people out there, but the gay community all follows some cause that you seem to think is about dismantling your religion.

The LGBT "cause" is certainly about dismantling Christianity. They hostility of LGBT activism is no longer as whitewashed as it once was. The Chick-fil-A issue proved that. I make that claim most openly everyhwere I post. It is a matter of apologetics.

What seems more likely? The gays are out to get you and your church?

Go to soulforce.org and see.

or

Religious paranoia is a condition which has been compared to extremism and intolerance.[1]

It is more honest to define gay theology as religious extremism. Extreme extremism actually.

It has been cited as a possible contributor to political violence.[2]

That's a sickening propaganda tactic. But one I have heard being trumped up against The Church. The Alinskyites use it effecively.

[3] It is often related to splitting, psychological projection, a desire to maintain a sense of purity in situations of real or perceived persecution, and rigid and unchallengeable attitudes.

Persecution is coming. I digress that we Chyristians in America are enduring the persecution of Christians under Islamic cruelty. But the threats and actually cases of LGBT's harrassing and suing Christians is an indication that a very evil train is coming down the tracks looking to smash the Churches that dare stand against LGBT activism.

That's not paranoia, that is just sensible decision making based on real and perceived threats made and actualized.

My life experience leads me to believe that the later is more likely.

I have no doubt about your worldview and how it was shaped. It is an age old story about the corruption of society and civiliations. And propaganda is a very, very powerful tool in shaping opinions such as yours.

But paranoia? That is the stupidest label hung on a Bible-affirming Christian.

The common sense to know what unfettered licentiousness breeds, is anything but paranoia. It is the height of maturity and intelligence in dealing with the actual world we live in.

[99percentatheism]

tokutter

. And please, please, don't compare the wrongs commited by straight people to say that LGBT's are no different in their cause. Comparing depraved straights to the "rights" sought by LGBT's is rather a dubious Christian morality don't you think? "

99 I'm a little confused....

I'm sure you are.

. . . are you saying that in fact there are gay people...cause i thought the fundamental christian postion was they were straight people with depraved sexual lifestyles.....yes/no????

A rose by any other name right?

And is there another label being hung on my neck? I am opposed to gay theology, but where is there any evidence that I am a Fundamentalist in the defintion you imply?

....whats this comparing depraved straights to LGBT's......as far as your concerned are they not the same...or are you admitting there are in fact gay people?????

I have perfectly defined the neologism "gay" in many places. It is a "new word" developed to water down the nature of same gender sex acts and those that pursue, enjoy and endure them. Nero was "gay." Did you know that? The antagonism between "gays" and Christians is a long train of history. Did you know that the antiChristian Romans called us "Enemies of mankind" when they arrested and killed us after Nero's time had come and gone?

You must be just out of college or still stuck there. Propaganda is a very tough influence to shake. The ignoring hostory has its unsavory behaviors reappear time and time again. There is a serious reason why Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia used the phrase "Enemy of mankind" in his dissent of the majority opinion for not protecting the Defense of Marriage and Prop 8 (as marriage being man and woman husband and wife).

And yes, they are the same. Sin is sin and repentance and forgiveness is also the same. Although I know that that is hate speech "once again." Propaganda is so effective. You may have not heard of Sual Alinsky (though I be you do) but his modern tactics of social movement propaganda are well tested.

That doesn't make me a "fundamentalist" it makes me an honest person when handling Christian truth. Nothing more and nothing less.