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Allah is facing our weaken by his mercifulness, our sins by his forgiveness , our small deeds by his generosity . but all of that must be under one condition : NO god but Allah . no partners beside him .

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “I swear by Him in whose hand is my soul, if you were a people who did not commit sin, Allah would take you away and replace you with a people who would sin and then seek Allah’s forgiveness so He could forgive them.� [Sahīh Muslim (2687)]


Allah already has a creation which is sinless. He has the angels who “never disobey Allah in what He commands them and carry out whatever they are told to do.� [Surah al-Tahrim: 6] they glorify Allah without fail. Some arer standing in prayer, some are bowing, and some are in prostration saying: “Glory be to the the possessor of the dominion and its possessions! Glory be to the possessor of might and irresistible power. Glory be to the Living One who never dies!�

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “I see and hear what you do not. The heavens heaved, and they have a right to do so, since there is not a place the width of a handspan that is not occupied by an angel prostrating his forehead to Allah.� [Sunan al-Tirmidhi (2312) and Sunan Ibn Majah (4190)]

In spite of all this, Allah in His wisdom wanted to create beings besides the angels – human beings who would need to be guided to the proper path and who were capable of going astray. Allah says: “Lo! We have shown him the way, whether he be grateful or disbelieving.� [Surah al-Insan: 3]

This is the nature upon which Allah created the human being. It is unavoidable that people will err. Therefore Allah has permitted us to ask His forgiveness. Indeed, He exhorts us to do so, and He promises us His forgiveness.

We should make it a habit to seek Allah’s forgiveness as often as we can. Constancy in beseeching forgiveness is a cure for the maladies of the heart as well as a means of having our sins erased.

prophet Mohammad peace be upon him said : [ “Verily, Allah created mercy; on the day He created it, He made it into one hundred parts. He kept with Him ninety-nine parts, and sent one part to all His creatures. Had the disbeliever known the mercy which is in the hands of Allah, he would not lose hope of entering Paradise, and had the believer known the punishment which is with Allah, he would not consider himself safe from the Hellfire.�]

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How would sending people to hell mean He has no mercy or knows anything about it, if He warned people about these places first?
Because He sends them to Hell. Threatening people with Hell and then sending them there is not any kind of mercy, it is pure evil.

A despot behaves the same way, they will threaten your life to worship them and then torture and kill you if you don't.

Let's look at how Merriam Webster's Dictionary defines the two.

1threat
noun \ˈthret\
Definition of THREAT
1
: an expression of intention to inflict evil, injury, or damage
2
: one that threatens
Exactly, Allah and God threaten to inflict injury and damage upon us (sending us to Hell) if we don't worship them. That is a threat.
warn
verb \ˈwȯrn\
Definition of WARN
transitive verb
1
a : to give notice to beforehand especially of danger or evil
b : to give admonishing advice to : counsel
c : to call to one's attention : inform
2
: to order to go or stay away —often used with off
But, it is Allah and God who have created Hell and they are the ones who send us there if we don't worship them. That is not a warning at all.
God according to the Bible does not want anyone to go to hell.
Yes, as long as you worship Him. That would be what a despot would say, too.
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8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you,[a] not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.[c]


That is a threat, not a warning. One is forced to repent and worship God, or else.

When a person threatens, he or she expresses their intent to harm. When a person warns, he or she gives notice of upcoming danger or evil, and counsels the person to avoid it.


But, God and Allah are indeed expressing their intent to harm, when they threaten us with Hell if we don't worship them.

God warns, He doesn't threaten. He does not want anyone to go to hell, so He offers everyone a way out. He warns people of the eternal suffering they have coming to them if they do not follow Him... with the intent that they will turn to Him and find salvation.


You're not understanding. If I created a torture chamber (Hell) and told you that you would remain in that torture chamber being tortured for the rest of your life if you didn't worship me, that certainly isn't a warning, it is a threat.

I imagine in Islam it is similar to this, although it would be best to ask a Muslim, not me, to explain that.


The explanation is obvious and similar, they are threats.

God also warns us about hell.


And, that would be the Hell He created for us if we didn't worship Him. See example of torture chamber above.

However, let me offer a better analogy. In the same zoo, beside the bear pit there is a monkey cage, and signs warn against feeding the monkeys. Information on these signs states that those who do so will be evicted or fined by the park authorities. What is different from this and from God telling people that if they disobey His rules they will go to hell? Both threaten negative consequences from the source of authority for not abiding by the rules.


We are not being commanded to worship the monkeys or the folks who run the zoo, nor are we being threatened with eternal damnation if we don't.

The warning sign is there because the folks who run the zoo are concerned for the monkeys overall diets.

That is certainly another silly example and has nothing to do God or Allah's threats.

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mchristos606 wrote:
2:10to topSahih International- In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie.

2:15to topSahih International- [But] Allah mocks them and prolongs them in their transgression [while] they wander blindly.

2:17to topSahih International - Their example is that of one who kindled a fire, but when it illuminated what was around him, Allah took away their light and left them in darkness [so] they could not see.

2:20to topSahih International- The lightning almost snatches away their sight. Every time it lights [the way] for them, they walk therein; but when darkness comes over them, they stand [still]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken away their hearing and their sight. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent

.2:24to topSahih Internationl - lBut if you do not - and you will never be able to - then fear the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.

Chapter 2 in the Quran has 286 verses. As one can see , this is The Merciful Allah that muslims believe in ! All the above are contained in the first 24 verses and the rest of The Quran is even more VILE and DISGUSTING !

If you want the full expose of The Merciful Allah , Islam and " prophet " Muhammad , I urge you to read Craig Winn 's book : " The prophet of Doom ". You can read it on-line.

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The first 24 verses from 2nd chapter Surah the cow classified mankind according to their beliefs , and their reactions toward the message of prophet Mohammad [ the holy Quran ] .

[a] : the believers of Allah : from verse 2 to 5

1. A.L.M.2. This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah3. Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;4. And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.5. They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.

: the unbelievers : verses 6 and 7

6. As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.7. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).

[c] the hypocrites : from verse 8 to 20

8. Of the people there are some who say: "We believe in Allah and the Last Day;" but they do not (really) believe.9. Fain would they deceive Allah and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves, and realise (it) not!10. In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).11. When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!"12. Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not.13. When it is said to them: "Believe as the others believe:" They say: "Shall we believe as the fools believe?" Nay, of a surety they are the fools, but they do not know.14. When they meet those who believe, they say: "We believe;" but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say: "We are really with you: We (were) only jesting."15. Allah will throw back their mockery on them, and give them rope in their trespasses; so they will wander like blind ones (To and fro).16. These are they who have bartered Guidance for error: But their traffic is profitless, and they have lost true direction,17. Their similitude is that of a man who kindled a fire; when it lighted all around him, Allah took away their light and left them in utter darkness. So they could not see.18. Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).19. Or (another similitude) is that of a rain-laden cloud from the sky: In it are zones of darkness, and thunder and lightning: They press their fingers in their ears to keep out the stunning thunder-clap, the while they are in terror of death. But Allah is ever round the rejecters of Faith!20. The lightning all but snatches away their sight; every time the light (Helps) them, they walk therein, and when the darkness grows on them, they stand still. And if Allah willed, He could take away their faculty of hearing and seeing; for Allah hath power over all things.

[d] Allah sends a general call to mankind : in verses 21 and 22

[21. O ye people! Adore your Guardian-Lord, who created you and those who came before you, that ye may have the chance to learn righteousness;22. Who has made the earth your couch, and the heavens your canopy; and sent down rain from the heavens; and brought forth therewith Fruits for your sustenance; then set not up rivals unto Allah when ye know (the truth).]

[e] Allah confirmed the 2nd verse by challenging the mankind :


The 2nd verse says :[ This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah]

[23. And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.24. But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.]

This challenge will stand for ever , no man can produce a book like the holy Quran .

Allah says : [88. Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.89. And We have explained to man, in this Qur'an, every kind of similitude: yet the greater part of men refuse (to receive it) except with ingratitude!] Surah 17

I wonder : are DI and TM going to believe any saying from mchristos606 after this ?

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Interesting, steps keeps posting verses from his holy book as if we're going to buy into worshiping a god who threatens everyone with fear.

Steps, the more you post that stuff, the more we reject it.

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A Troubled Man wrote: Interesting, steps keeps posting verses from his holy book as if we're going to buy into worshiping a god who threatens everyone with fear.

Steps, the more you post that stuff, the more we reject it.
I told you : you are united in this case [ to fight Allah ] .
You cannot object on the verses , but you are tilling yourself and the readers : I have a neck , look people I am answering steps . what a wonderful answer .
After Allah sent Adam down to earth , There were 2 teams :

1-The believers of Allah : are carrying the same message , the same belief , and they are the firm element in all eras , they will not be removed or ignored .

2- the unbelievers of Allah : or the followers of the devil , each time they defeat by the believers , then the devil comes to them with a new dress and promises them and creates in them false desires .

there is a third team , who does not know about the message of Allah , during the judgment day Allah will test them , as he tested us

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Religions that attempt to coerce people into joining them using fear tactics have run their course. They had their heyday, but people are no longer this gullible.

Christiandom attempts to do the same thing. But the Christians are wising up. They are desperately trying to downplay the threats and fear tactics. Even though they have an uphill battle against their own foundational doctrines.

But at least the Christians show some sign of wising up.

This doesn't appear to be the case for those who continue to preach Islam.
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2- the unbelievers of Allah : or the followers of the devil , each time they defeat by the believers , then the devil comes to them with a new dress and promises them and creates in them false desires .
Your holy book is teaching you lies. Non-believers of Islam are not following any devils and are not being defeated by you or your religion.

You accomplish nothing more than to provide more and more evidence to reject Islam.

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A Troubled Man wrote:
TG123 wrote:
How would sending people to hell mean He has no mercy or knows anything about it, if He warned people about these places first?
A Troubled Man wrote: Because He sends them to Hell. Threatening people with Hell and then sending them there is not any kind of mercy, it is pure evil.
What makes it evil? Without God, how do you define what is good and what is evil?
A Troubled Man wrote: A despot behaves the same way, they will threaten your life to worship them and then torture and kill you if you don't.
Except a despot cannot create you out of nothing and guarantee eternal life in Paradise for you if you believe in Him- and faith includes obedience to God's commands. If you obey His commands you will be kind, considerate and loving to everyone around you.

Let's look at how Merriam Webster's Dictionary defines the two.

1threat
noun \ˈthret\
Definition of THREAT
1
: an expression of intention to inflict evil, injury, or damage
2
: one that threatens
A Troubled Man wrote: Exactly, Allah and God threaten to inflict injury and damage upon us (sending us to Hell) if we don't worship them. That is a threat.
Except that God doesn't intend anyone to go to hell. He wants us not to, that is why He tells us to follow Him.
warn
verb \ˈwȯrn\
Definition of WARN
transitive verb
1
a : to give notice to beforehand especially of danger or evil
b : to give admonishing advice to : counsel
c : to call to one's attention : inform
2
: to order to go or stay away —often used with off
A Troubled Man wrote:But, it is Allah and God who have created Hell and they are the ones who send us there if we don't worship them. That is not a warning at all.
Allah = God, for starters. Yes, He will send us to hell if we don't worship Him, but this isn't where He wants us to end up, so He warns us.
God according to the Bible does not want anyone to go to hell.
A Troubled Man wrote: Yes, as long as you worship Him. That would be what a despot would say, too.
Addressed above.
2 Peter 3:8-10

English Standard Version (ESV)

8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you,[a] not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.[c]
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That is a threat, not a warning. One is forced to repent and worship God, or else.

No, it's a warning, so that people don't perish.

When a person threatens, he or she expresses their intent to harm. When a person warns, he or she gives notice of upcoming danger or evil, and counsels the person to avoid it.
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But, God and Allah are indeed expressing their intent to harm, when they threaten us with Hell if we don't worship them.

But He doesn't want us to go hell, so He doesn't intend that anyone go there.

God warns, He doesn't threaten. He does not want anyone to go to hell, so He offers everyone a way out. He warns people of the eternal suffering they have coming to them if they do not follow Him... with the intent that they will turn to Him and find salvation.
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You're not understanding. If I created a torture chamber (Hell) and told you that you would remain in that torture chamber being tortured for the rest of your life if you didn't worship me, that certainly isn't a warning, it is a threat.

The part missing in the analogy is that you would also have to create an eternal paradise that offered unending joy, and give the option of which one the person would want to go to. Most would opt for the Paradise.

I imagine in Islam it is similar to this, although it would be best to ask a Muslim, not me, to explain that.
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The explanation is obvious and similar, they are threats.

Warnings, actually. But even if you want to call them threats, I still don't see what is immoral about giving negative consequences to people who choose not to follow rules.

God also warns us about hell.
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And, that would be the Hell He created for us if we didn't worship Him. See example of torture chamber above.

Yes. And we never have to enter it if we do worship Him. Worshiping Him will also cause us to be better people to those around us.

However, let me offer a better analogy. In the same zoo, beside the bear pit there is a monkey cage, and signs warn against feeding the monkeys. Information on these signs states that those who do so will be evicted or fined by the park authorities. What is different from this and from God telling people that if they disobey His rules they will go to hell? Both threaten negative consequences from the source of authority for not abiding by the rules.
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We are not being commanded to worship the monkeys or the folks who run the zoo, nor are we being threatened with eternal damnation if we don't.

The warning sign is there because the folks who run the zoo are concerned for the monkeys overall diets.

Nevertheless, there is a threat present. Those who feed monkeys will be punished. If you are consistent, you should also be condemning this. In addition, you should be condemning every law that exists that imposes negative consequences for those who break it.

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That is certainly another silly example and has nothing to do God or Allah's threats.

Getting mad at God for creating hell and warning you He will send you there if you don't believe in Him while ignoring the fact He has Paradise waiting for you and all you have to do is believe in Him, is pretty silly to me.

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What makes it evil? Without God, how do you define what is good and what is evil?
I don't define anything. It is a simply matter of reasoning. Worship me or else is not a hard concept to figure out.
Except a despot cannot create you out of nothing and guarantee eternal life in Paradise for you if you believe in Him- and faith includes obedience to God's commands. If you obey His commands you will be kind, considerate and loving to everyone around you.
That is baloney. It is a fact that evolution created all life on earth as it is today, not your god. Obeying your gods commands doesn't make one automatically kind, considerate and loving. There is plenty of evidence to show the contrary.

Except that God doesn't intend anyone to go to hell. He wants us not to, that is why He tells us to follow Him.
Whether He wants us to go to hell or not is irrelevant to the fact He will send us there if we don't worship Him. This is no different than any other despot.
Allah = God, for starters. Yes, He will send us to hell if we don't worship Him, but this isn't where He wants us to end up, so He warns us.
That is a threat, by definition, not a warning.
No, it's a warning, so that people don't perish.
Clearly, you are misunderstanding the definition of warn and threat and clearly you haven't understood my example of the torture chamber. They are threats.
But He doesn't want us to go hell, so He doesn't intend that anyone go there.
Then, He wouldn't send anyone there if He didn't want us to go there. Simple. But of course, that isn't the case, he demands we worship Him, or else.
The part missing in the analogy is that you would also have to create an eternal paradise that offered unending joy, and give the option of which one the person would want to go to. Most would opt for the Paradise.
Irrelevant. That has nothing to do with Him threatening us with Hell.
Warnings, actually. But even if you want to call them threats, I still don't see what is immoral about giving negative consequences to people who choose not to follow rules.
They are threats by definition, it is not what I want to call them, it is what they are.

Demanding one worship you has nothing to do with following rules.
Yes. And we never have to enter it if we do worship Him. Worshiping Him will also cause us to be better people to those around us.
Baloney, that isn't even remotely true.
Nevertheless, there is a threat present. Those who feed monkeys will be punished.
And, if your God anything to do with the punishment, they would be sent to hell, while in the meantime, the folks who run the zoo might tell you to not feed the monkeys. This is not a threat by any stretch of the imagination.
If you are consistent, you should also be condemning this. In addition, you should be condemning every law that exists that imposes negative consequences for those who break it.
The law does not condemn people to eternal damnation.
Getting mad at God for creating hell and warning you He will send you there if you don't believe in Him while ignoring the fact He has Paradise waiting for you and all you have to do is believe in Him, is pretty silly to me.
Yes, I'm sure it is silly for you, but that is because you don't understand the difference between warnings and threats.

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A Troubled Man wrote:
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2- the unbelievers of Allah : or the followers of the devil , each time they defeat by the believers , then the devil comes to them with a new dress and promises them and creates in them false desires .
Your holy book is teaching you lies. Non-believers of Islam are not following any devils and are not being defeated by you or your religion.

You accomplish nothing more than to provide more and more evidence to reject Islam.

[ 53. Soon will We show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?] surah 41


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[6. Say: "The (Qur'an) was sent down by Him who knows the mystery (that is) in the heavens and the earth: verily He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."] Surah 25

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Why is Allah such a bitter hateful God who lust to control people?

What were his parents like? Or was he an orphaned God? Did his parents abandon him? Maybe that's why he's so angry and hateful toward people who don't worship him?

Does Allah have a wife?

Surely every religion has a balance of yin an yang?

If Allah has no wife, that too could explain why he's such a grumpy hateful God.

I'll pray for your Allah that he may be healed from his obsession with hate, anger, and jealousy.

Perhaps Zeus, the God of Gods could help Allah find a decent Goddess wife?

I'll pray to Zeus that Allah may be healed. ;)

That's the best I can do to help your Allah out.

It's in the hands of Zeus now. O:)
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