Some Atheists lack inner motivation for make believe?

[ndf8th]

Some Atheists lack inner motivation for make believe?

Suppose religion is the art of make believe. Clifford Geertz explain in
Anthropology of religion the make believe acts of faith like this:
Anthropology of religion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropology_of_religion

(1) a system of symbols which acts to
(2) establish powerful, pervasive, and long-lasting moods and motivations in men by
(3) formulating conceptions of a general order of existence and
(4) clothing these conceptions with such an aura of factuality that
(5) the moods and motivations seem uniquely realistic" (Geertz 1966).

I find what he says there to support that faith in God is an act of make believe.

Some Atheists lack the inner motivation for to make such belief.

I have the inner motivation for to make believe but I lack the needed know how.

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Did you notice that I do Anthropology of religion
and that I don't do "Does God exist of philosophic Ontology
and I don't do Does the atheists lack belief in gods.

I start with the soft science Anthropology of religion
and take their most famous or agreed upon definition of religion
and then look at if atheists have that inner motivation and conclude
that they lack such inner motivation. It is a huge difference as I get it.

the soft science do say that religions are made by us humans.
that means that the gods are made by these humans. Make believe gods.

So to ask if these gods exist is to not understand
that believers have inner motivation to make believe that God exist.

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if you are good at logic and English then please translate this to less abstract words

(1) a system of symbols which acts to
(2) establish powerful, pervasive, and long-lasting moods and motivations in men by
(3) formulating conceptions of a general order of existence and
(4) clothing these conceptions with such an aura of factuality that
(5) the moods and motivations seem uniquely realistic" (Geertz 1966)

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[Replying to post 4 by Nilloc James]

I see no need to force them to be true. They become ugly when you force them to be true.

Love one another is ugly eh? Whatever next will the god botherers come up with.

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Matthew 22:39 The second most important commandment is like this one. And it is, "Love others as much as you love yourself."

P.S. An ugly text.

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[Replying to post 1 by ndf8th]

I find what he says there to support that faith in God is an act of make believe.

Clifforf Geertz on Wikipedia. Isn't that fairy stories for adults?

I am so glad that it is only atheists that make believe....they know everything.

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Genesis 1:25 God made every one of them. Then he looked at what he had done, and it was good.

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[Replying to post 6 by Divine Insight]

I agree with part of what you are saying. Both, a creative ability for make-believe, and a desire to believe in these fantasies, are required for a successful spiritual experience. Although the former may actually be waived if a person is willing to believe in someone else's fantasy. In fact, this is what most religious people actually do. They seek out fantasy that are already well-defined and have already been created.

Thanks for the laugh divine lack of insight. I am a devotee of church history and since Christianity began, there has always been someone or other trying to put it down and make all sort of know-it-all pronouncements about it, even trying to kill christiains out of existance.

You know what, despite this being fact, faith in God and christianity has grown and grown and grown as it seems to thrive on persecution.

So keep up the verbal prosecution as it is good for us and we LOVE IT!!

That old saying "sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt us" is so true when you slag of at christianity and christians.

Have a slagging good day.

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Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

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[Replying to post 6 by Divine Insight]

For example in my own personal system of Wicca, I have four pixie fairies that act as the gentiles or gate-keepers to the four gates of consciousness. These four gates are also associated with the compass directions, North, East, South, and West, as well as the four spiritual elements of Earth, Air, Fire, and Water.

These pixie sentinels open these gates of psychic consciousness and bring them to life. The four pixies in my Wicca paradigm are named, Assiah, Yetzirah, Atziluth, and Briah.

Strewth! That must be the mother of all fairy stories.

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Luke 7:21 At that time Jesus was healing many people who were sick or in pain or were troubled by evil spirits, and he was giving sight to a lot of blind people.

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[Replying to post 12 by Divine Insight]

One thing that is important to realize is that the religious paradigms are not God. I didn't "find God" in Wicca. I brought God into Wicca. Or to put that in a far better way, "I simply realized that Wicca can be a beautiful, rewarding, and useful psychic paradigm to effectively commune with God.

if you are interested in truth this is what you would have said....

I didn't find God in wicca. I brought god into wicca. Or to put that in a more deluded way, " I simple realised that wicca is one big fairy story and a useful psychotic way to effectively commune with satan."

Try doing that and you will be surprised at the outcome. It is called reality road, but the consequences could be nasty as they usually are when you trifle with satan.

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2Corinthians 11:15 So why does it seem strange for Satan's servants to pretend to do what is right? Someday they will get exactly what they deserve.

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[Replying to post 11 by ndf8th]

Daniel Dennett a philosopher wrote in his book about religion and atheism
that he saw that some believers have faith in faith rather than faith in God?

Yes that is quite true. It was the product of the prosperity doctrine that surfaced in the eighties and nineties last century.

There is a remnant of it still around, but it has but been dead and buried since the TV evangelists were exposed as being the main recipients of the faith in faith ideology and did very nicely out of it.

The important thing is that it was an ideology built on the machinations of a few men whose days were numbered because it wasn't the truth. Well, only half a truth as the scriptures behind it all were interpreted to suit their way of thinking.

Not to say that God is against wealth as the scripture says that God gives us the ability to get wealth so when it is by him that it happens it is right. But you usually find that people who have gone down this road are great givers, so the wealth is shared around. This enables us to see wealth in its proper context.

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Ecclesiastes 5:10 If you love money and wealth, you will never be satisfied with what you have. This doesn't make sense either.

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[Replying to post 15 by ndf8th]

Thanks Baz, if there do exist a god I trust that not a single believer
knows about it.

It all depends on what your "god" is. In my country for many thousands their god is AFL footie. For many it is the BBQ and for many more it is grog.

However, if you mean the God who is creator of heaven and earth, then, yes, billions do know about him and your trust(faith) that not a single believer knows about him is nothing more than pie in the sky.

As the scriptures say.....

John 14:7 If you had known me, you would have known the Father. But from now on, you do know him, and you have seen him."

1 John 2:3 When we obey God, we are sure that we know him.

1 John 4:7 My dear friends, we must love each other. Love comes from God, and when we love each other, it shows that we have been given new life. We are now God's children, and we know him.

Phillipians 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death.

I have about 200 books that are biographies of people that know God in a tangible way. Of course the atheists will come up with some snide remark about evidence and fairy stories but who cares. They are the ones that will find out everything they put their FAITH in was a fairy story when they die.

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1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and has given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

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[Replying to post 15 by ndf8th]

Thanks Baz, if there do exist a god I trust that not a single believer
knows about it.

It all depends on what your "god" is. In my country for many thousands their god is AFL footie. For many it is the BBQ and for many more it is grog.

Prove this CLAIM.
Damn, god's inner circle make a lot of claims, don't they?

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I am so glad that it is only atheists that make believe....they know everything.

Thanks for the laugh divine lack of insight.

Strewth! That must be the mother of all fairy stories.

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[Divine Insight]

Strewth! That must be the mother of all fairy stories.

That's exactly what it is. It's not meant to be taken literally, nor is it intended to be an historical account of any actual events that had taken place in the past. On the contrary it's a paradigm for a psychic journey. If you're trying to compare this with the way that Christians try to hold up the Hebrew mythology then clearly you are not understanding the difference at all.

if you are interested in truth this is what you would have said....

What I have describe already is the truth. It's just a truth that you clearly are not understanding because you evidently think I'm saying something different from what I'm actually saying.

I didn't find God in wicca. I brought god into wicca. Or to put that in a more deluded way, " I simple realised that wicca is one big fairy story and a useful psychotic way to effectively commune with satan."

Why would I bother to bring Satan into the picture? Satan is an evil God of the Christians who is supposedly at war with their benevolent God. And clearly according to the Bible their Satan is winning the war.

Try doing that and you will be surprised at the outcome. It is called reality road, but the consequences could be nasty as they usually are when you trifle with satan.

I'm not interested in your obsessions with the demon of your religion. Clearly that's your obsession and not mine.

You may find it interesting to realize that in my circle rituals I call upon the archangels of Ariel, Raphael, Micheal, and Gabriel. However what may actually shock you to learn is that these archangels were actually pagan deities that found their way into the Hebrew folklore. They were not created by the Hebrews. They did not come from the biblical stories originally.

Finally, the topic of this thread is "Some Atheists lack inner motivation for make believe?" NOT "See if you can twist what the person who posted before you into some they didn't say".

I never mentioned Satan. That was entirely your own fabrication and false accusation. From the perspective of Christianity I would even say that what you have done is to bear false witness against your neighbor because you have associated your neighbor with a demonic fable that your neighbor has absolutely nothing to do with. Therefore you bearing false witness against me by making this hideous insinuation where it was never even hinted at in anything I said.

It is precisely this kind of dishonesty that is often spewed by followers of Christianity that I find quite disgusting. This is basically the same as the "Witch burnings". You are attempting to accuse me of being a worshiper of your Satan when that charge is totally without merit.