Wootah wrote:
Goat wrote:
Well then, the bible is wrong.. because according to Jewish law, you can't crucify anybody as a form of execution. I don't see why the Jews would go to Pilate to begin with, since they had the authority to execute people.. there are example in the New Testament where this is so. (The claiming that they executed James and Stephen are two). Why could the Jews execute those people, but Not Jesus? It just does not make sense.
You seem to understand the situation well. Too well in fact for me to believe that you can't see the Christian point within the text. That the Jews could not kill Jesus according to the law but they wanted to because he was blaspheming and so argued Jesus was causing civil trouble and got the Romans to do it for them.
The Jews could have killed Jesus for blaspheme by stoning if they wanted to. After all according to the New Testament they were still in engaged in stoning sinners and heathens to death as commanded by the God of the Torah.
And besides, even for a demigod to proclaim that the only way to the Father God is through him he would be placing himself before the Father God. So Jesus was a blasphemer no matter what. There is no justification for Jesus in the Biblical picture.
The Christian religion is an oxymoron. And it's based upon an older religion that is already absurd.
This entire religion dies in chapter 2 and 3 of Genesis. It fails to make any sense already at that point, and it just continually goes downhill from there.
If we take Genesis chapters 2 and 3 seriously, then are creator is not only untrustworthy, but he is also extremely immoral and has no sense of decency at all.
When I read Genesis chapters 2 and 3 I can immediately see that I could have handed the situation far better. So right off the bat I can see that I am more intelligent than the authors who made up that story.
Clearly I can't be more intelligent and wiser than an actual God. Thus the story necessarily must be false. We can't have a God who isn't even as intelligent or wise as a mere mortal man.
And Genesis chapter 2 and 3 aren't the only place this happens by far. On the contrary, I can offer far better solutions to every problem this God encounters in countless cases throughout the biblical canon. Including a far better solution than the New Testament offers in Jesus.
To ask me to believe in the Bible is the same as asking me to believe that God is far beneath me in terms of both wisdom and intellect. And I'm certainly not the most intelligent or wise human either. So to ask me to believe in the Biblical God is to truly expect me to believe that I was created by an absolute idiot who has absolutely no wisdom or moral values at all.
Moreover, there is no way I could trust this God in any way. He would be so untrustworthy that it wouldn't even be worth trying to appease his egotistical demands. A person would be better off just allowing this insane immoral God to damn them when he throws one of his childish insane temper tantrums.
You're trying to tell me in your above post, that God's very own priests had gotten so far removed from God's influence and power that they actually committed the crime of killing this very same God's only begotten son.
Such a God would have so little control and influence over even his own priests that he would have already proven his absolute ineptitude to maintain control over anything at all.
Because you need to remember that even Jesus recognized the Jewish Priests as being the authority of the synagog so Jesus himself was acknowledging that these Priests were indeed God's Priests.
Just as a minor aside, I have always held that Jesus should have simply renounced the Jewish Priests as not having anything at all to do with God.
Instead he treated them precisely as though they were in charge of God's Church.
That is just yet another oxymoron of Christianity.
The Christian God would need to be so utterly inept there would be no point in placing any trust in him at all.
