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| No. It does not eliminate or limit free will. |
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theleftone
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Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:11 pm Post subject: Precognition and Free Will |
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It has often been asserted that precognition either limits or eliminates free will. Indeed, it is often an argument used to show either a personal has no free will or an all-knowing (unqualified) God (i.e., one which knows that which occurs in all time) cannot exist. Is this the case?
Does precognition limit or eliminate free will? If so, which and why? If not, why? |
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What do you mean by precognition???
If you mean telling or seeing the future by some kind of psychic or spiritual means(without the use of scientific means), then I have seen no evidence showing the least possibility that it is possible at all.
So your question has no reasoned response. Might I suggest :
Is precognition or fortune telling even possible?
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Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| What do you mean by precognition? |
Precognition would be "knowledge of the future" or "to know that which will happen." When mixed with the given definition of God, an unqualified all-knowing God, this would mean a complete and full knowledge of all that will happen in the future. I was expressing it in a more simplistic notion, dividing along the lines of pre...cognition, than implying psychic abilities and such.
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| Is precognition or fortune telling even possible? |
That's a good question. Though, for the sake of my question, it was assumed as possible. |
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Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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| That's a good question. Though, for the sake of my question, it was assumed as possible. |
Oh, just a philosophical assumption, I thought you were asking a real world question.
Never mind
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| Ok, so for the sake of your question we're assuming it's possible. But that's hard to imagine, and even so I need more information. For example, how changeable is it? If it is definite and unchangeable, then one would think you wouldn't have a free will. But then, if you learned something that will happen to you in the future, who's to stop you from taking a different route? |
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Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:55 am Post subject: Re: Precognition and Free Will |
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| tselem wrote: |
| Does precognition limit or eliminate free will? If so, which and why? If not, why? |
This is going to be an odd answer to your question, but I would think that both precognition and free will can simultaneously exist, and I have no idea why.
I don't believe they can simultaneously exist in order to reconcile any beliefs on a possible deity. Rather, if we assume an omniscient deity exists, then I believe those two qualities can simultaneously exist.
In the general realm of philosophy, I believe that inconsistencies best explain the truth, rather than consistencies. I have no idea how inconsistencies can explain the truth. I just know that I have found that they generally do. |
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Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:43 am Post subject: |
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Precognition bolsters free will. Knowledge of the future, and the series of events leading up to it, allows you to decide whether or not you want that future to occur. It's as if you're able to jump from one thread of fate to another.
That's not to say that you're not just caught up in an even larger thread of fate, wherein you were destined to make such a decision. That implies the lack of free will. I see free will working on a small scale, within fate, pertaining only to individual consciousness. Seeing all threads as parts of a greater whole, and all threads being theoretically equal, free will lets the mind observe whichever path it chooses.
Choice is a very powerful force in the universe. |
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Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: Precognition and Free Will |
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| tselem wrote: |
It has often been asserted that precognition either limits or eliminates free will. Indeed, it is often an argument used to show either a personal has no free will or an all-knowing (unqualified) God (i.e., one which knows that which occurs in all time) cannot exist. Is this the case?
Does precognition limit or eliminate free will? If so, which and why? If not, why? |
That depends (asssuming that precognition exists).
How accurate is it? Assuming that a precognitive event occurs, can the future be change because of it?
If it is 100% perfect, with no error, and no way to change it , then yes, it eliminates free will.
But, if it is more like a warning, not always accurate, or the outcome can be changed, then no, it does not eliminate free will. |
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Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| As long as there are at least 2 choices, and a decision originates in the mind of the human being, free will exists. It doesn't matter if another being has foretold that decision in advance of it happening. |
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Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| sue wrote: |
| As long as there are at least 2 choices, and a decision originates in the mind of the human being, free will exists. It doesn't matter if another being has foretold that decision in advance of it happening. |
I disagree, since if the 'result' is known ahead of time, then there really isn't two choices, there is only the illusion of choice. |
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