Zzyzx wrote:
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Does the following seem self-contradictory?
From ONE post in a current thread –
arian wrote:
God speaks through ALL His creation including us men, and just because we deny to hear Him (because of sin) doesn't mean it is lost.
Of course I don't expect you to believe in God just because I do, and that I believe it was His revelation
had very little education, and struggle to express myself, especially with the things God has revealed to me.
This is exactly why God used His Prophets and even His Son to personally talk to us.
I am here to
'reveal by Undeniable Scientific Evidence' our
Creator.
Infinity, the origin of the universe, the beginning of life" may be beyond your understanding, or the refusal thereof, but is definitely not mine.
AND
arian wrote:
I am not religious, how can I explain this to you?
I will not become a religious theist/atheist just to please you.
I'm serious my friend, since I have told you at least 500 times in debates that I am not a Theist, yet you still keep referring to me as a Theist.
Note: Theism is defined as: Belief in the existence of a god or gods
Religion is difficult to define but generally involves some belief in a supernatural entity that may (or may not) influence human affairs – or perhaps an afterlife
Question for debate: If one believes in God can they NOT be a Theist and NOT be religious?
Not many years ago if you were to ask me what religion I was a part of, I would of tell you proudly and without any hesitation; "Of the Christian Religion."
I song the old hymns like the "Blessed Trinity", and believed that Jesus was one of the godheads of the three gods in one, .. I believed that I was a theist and hated atheists because they were our enemies, that my god was Devine who lived in the supernatural realm divining through his Diviners, especially the ones with degrees in 'Divinity' from well know Schools of Divinity, or those graduating with a doctorate from the Trinity College.
But you guys changed all that here (started on other forums). I have read and listened as atheists slammed theists, and questioned Christian beliefs especially the Trinity doctrine, .. asked for some proof of this Christian plural gods, which we Christians could answer only that God existed by faith, and that faith was blind.
Without further due, let me address my friend Zzyzx's OP, especially since it was directed at me. Thanks.
Theism: - Wikipedia
Theism, in the field of comparative religion, is the belief that at least one deity exists. In popular parlance, the term theism often describes the classical conception of God that is found in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Sikhism and Hinduism.
The term theism derives from the Greek theos meaning "god". The term theism was first used by Ralph Cudworth (1617–88). In Cudworth's definition, they are "strictly and properly called Theists, who affirm, that a perfectly conscious understanding being, or mind, existing of itself from eternity, was the cause of all other things".
Wikipedia -
Comparative religion; - is the branch of the study of religions concerned with the systematic comparison of the doctrines and practices of the world's religions. In general the comparative study of religion yields a deeper understanding of the fundamental philosophical concerns of religion such as ethics, metaphysics and the nature and form of salvation. Studying such material is meant to give one a richer and more sophisticated understanding of human beliefs and practices regarding the sacred, numinous, spiritual and divine.
In the field of comparative religion, a common geographical classification of the main world religions includes Middle Eastern religions (including Zoroastrism and Iranian religions), Indian religions, East Asian religions, African religions, American religions, Oceanic religions, and classical Hellenistic religions.
Divine-divinity;
In religious terms, divinity is the state of things that come from a supernatural power or deity, such as a god, or spirit beings, and are therefore regarded as sacred and holy.
Divination (from Latin divinare "to foresee, to be inspired by a god", related to divinus, divine) is the attempt to gain insight into a question or situation by way of an occultic, standardized process or ritual. Used in various forms throughout history, diviners ascertain their interpretations of how a querent should proceed by reading signs, events, or omens, or through alleged contact with a supernatural agency.
Divination can be seen as a systematic method with which to organize what appear to be disjointed, random facets of existence such that they provide insight into a problem at hand. If a distinction is to be made between divination and fortune-telling, divination has a more formal or ritualistic element and often contains a more social character, usually in a religious context, as seen in traditional African medicine. Fortune-telling, on the other hand, is a more everyday practice for personal purposes. Particular divination methods vary by culture and religion.
Deuteronomy 18:14
For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the Lord your God has not appointed such for you.
1 Samuel 6:2
And the Philistines called for the priests and the diviners, saying, “What shall we do with the ark of the Lord? Tell us how we should send it to its place.�
Isaiah 44:25
Who frustrates the signs of the babblers, And drives diviners mad; Who turns wise men backward, And makes their knowledge foolishness;
Jeremiah 27:9
Therefore do not listen to your prophets, your diviners, your dreamers, your soothsayers, or your sorcerers, who speak to you, saying, “You shall not serve the king of Babylon.�
Jeremiah 29:8
For thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: Do not let your prophets and your diviners who are in your midst deceive you, nor listen to your dreams which you cause to be dreamed.
Ezekiel 13:9
“My hand will be against the prophets who envision futility and who divine lies; they shall not be in the assembly of My people, nor be written in the record of the house of Israel, nor shall they enter into the land of Israel. Then you shall know that I am the Lord God.
Ezekiel 21:29
While they see false visions for you, While they divine a lie to you, To bring you on the necks of the wicked, the slain Whose day has come, Whose iniquity shall end.
Divining in the OT was from demons, devils that used mediums, witches and warlocks and false prophets to speak deceptions to the people.
Then I went to the New Testament, which was greatly influenced by the Catholic Church, and even placed into one book the Bible, and all of a sudden I seen:
Matthew 2:12
Then, being divinely warned in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed for their own country another way.
Acts 10:22
And they said, “Cornelius the centurion, a just man, one who fears God and has a good reputation among all the nation of the Jews, was divinely instructed by a holy angel to summon you to his house, and to hear words from you.�
Acts 17:29
Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising.
Gods 'divine Nature'??
Romans 11:4
But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.�
Hebrews 8:5
who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.�
Moses 'divinely instructed'?? I think NOT!
Hebrews 9:1
Then indeed, even the first covenant had ordinances of divine service and the earthly sanctuary.
Hebrews 11:7
By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
Noah divinely warned??
2 Peter 1:3, 4
as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
There is something seriously wrong between the OT teaching on going to and accepting divination from demons, and the NT where all of a sudden God is revealed as a Divine being divining to his mediums. Mistranslation, or the Catholic Church, the original "Christian Religion" that all Christion Religious denominations derived from, actually worship Lucifer and his demons like Legion the plural demon as 'God/gods'!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jc61xBfcGI
the term theism often describes the classical conception of God that is found in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Sikhism and Hinduism.
The Christian Religion originated from the Catholic Christian Religion, who worship deities, or demons and Lucifer as god/gods. Neither Judaism nor Islam accept Jesus as the Son of God, so their 'god' is not our Creator mentioned in the OT or the NT, Sikhism and Hinduism worship many gods, so the god of these
religions is not our Creator mentioned in the Bible, and revealed by science.
I have not yet found ONE religion that accepts God as he reveals Himself in the Bible, not one. All Christian Religions claim they do, but after further investigation, it becomes obvious that each religion has their own personally created god/gods.
This is only the tip of the iceberg, 1,700 years of hacking at the truth, against our Creator, yet the "Little Books" still remain mostly in tact, enough truth there to be able to determine what fits Gods message, and what doesn't.
With Gods revelation to me to show a scientific explanation of our Creator should reveal a
clear distinction between the Religiously created god/gods, theism/theology which is the study of all these pagan gods, and our scientifically defined Creator, One and only One. Not
one from, but the
Infinite, Eternal, Creative Mind "I Am Who I Am" God
Please, please read everything I posted carefully, and look into it more, search it all out and you will see that Deism, Theism, Divine and Religions that worship god/gods have nothing to do with our Creator.
You don't create, or join a religion to worship god/gods, if anything, we should become religious in helping our fellow man, this is true religion, and common sense. God doesn't need our repetitious prayers, or cutting ourselves, or our sacrifices, but to "Love One another, and do unto others as you would have them do to you!" God will accept that as worship, not your tithes, and church attendance even when you know this church don't care nothing about you.
