Is there one thing all Christians agree on about the bible?

[DanieltheDragon]

Is there one objective belief that all Christians universally hold?

Is there one objective belief about the bible?

Is there anything in the scriptures that has one singular interpretation?

[sf]

[Replying to Peds nurse]

I believe it is the entire chapter. At the beginning of the next, it says that Jesus left and went elsewhere. (not that it really matters).

Why would Jesus suddenly refer to himself in the third person? It doesn't really make much sense. I am in the camp that interprets the manuscripts ending the quote at 3:15 and so are a lot of other biblical scholars. The NiV ends the quote at 3:15 and the KJV is unambiguous to where it ends.

Did you mean the KJV is ambiguous to where it ends? The KJV translation doesn't include quotation marks because the underlying Koine Greek didn't have such a thing , although some printings of the KJV today have red letters for what is generally believed to be the words of Jesus.

Would you agree that verse 13 is part of Jesus' speech to Nicodemus? He is referring to himself in the third person there too:

"[11] Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. [12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? [13] And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." (John 3:11-13)

[sf]

Is there one objective belief that all Christians universally hold?

Is there one objective belief about the bible?

Is there anything in the scriptures that has one singular interpretation?

How about the very beginning of the Bible:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

Even non-Messianic Jews agree with this.

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 81 by sfisher]

Yeah I meant ambiguous didn't catch that until after I could no longer edit. Your right the KJV provides no quotes. The son of man is a title Jesus gave himself. Referring to your title in speech is not uncommon. Like Obama talking about something like this(complete fiction): I often contemplate things I can and cannot do with the authority of my office, it turns out there are limits to what the president can do.

Now you can see how that doesn't seem unusual. Compared to, I often contemplate things I can and cannot do with the authority of my office, it turns out there are limits to what the president can do. The only son of a father, will work and sacrifice for the American people that whoever should vote for the son of a father will bring success on their country. Now things don't flow so well and feel disjointed like two separate speakers.


It's not just a change in person the tonality of the speech changes to. It also further underlines that while some people consider this Jesus's words others do not. Meaning it is not a universally held idea or belief among Christians. Which is really the point either way, it's not a universally held opinion of Christ.

[DanieltheDragon]

Is there one objective belief that all Christians universally hold?

Is there one objective belief about the bible?

Is there anything in the scriptures that has one singular interpretation?

How about the very beginning of the Bible:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

Even non-Messianic Jews agree with this.

Sure but how did he create the world? Was it one god or many(the Hebrew uses the plural for. Of god)? Did god directly or indirectly create the world.

[Ancient of Years]

So you are reduced to desperately repeating out of context one-liners that have already been debunked and ignoring the majority of the arguments presented against you.

There is no argument. I'm citing their positions. Let's not make it any more complex than their stated facts.
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No you are not. You are applying off the wall interpretations to out-of-context one-liners and ignoring the material that contradicts you in the very sources you cite as well as in all the additional sources I provided.

You have this strange fantasy going on about what Catholicism is all about. But you are extremely wrong. Why not stick to the real criticisms of Catholicism of which there are plenty?

In any case, no point in continuing here.

[squint]

So you are reduced to desperately repeating out of context one-liners that have already been debunked and ignoring the majority of the arguments presented against you.

There is no argument. I'm citing their positions. Let's not make it any more complex than their stated facts.
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No you are not. You are applying off the wall interpretations to out-of-context one-liners and ignoring the material that contradicts you in the very sources you cite as well as in all the additional sources I provided.

You have this strange fantasy going on about what Catholicism is all about. But you are extremely wrong. Why not stick to the real criticisms of Catholicism of which there are plenty?

In any case, no point in continuing here.

No one is righteous. No, not one, regardless of claims to the contrary.

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No one is righteous. No, not one, regardless of claims to the contrary.

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[Goat]

[Replying to post 23 by DanieltheDragon]

Daniel, I have no idea what a no true scotsman fallacy is.

When I looked up the definition for Christian, I got this:

a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ

If we look at what Jesus taught:

Matthew 16:21-From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

So, Jesus was going to die and on the third day be raised to life. This is what He taught.

Matthew 20:28- "just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

He was going to give his life as a ransom for many...this is what Jesus taught.

John 3: 16 (once again). For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

Jesus said the above words...they are His teachings. So what can we gather from all this?

In order to be a Christian, one must believe that Jesus was the Son of God, was killed, and on the third day, rose from the dead, and was seated at the right hand of God. He did this so that we (those who believe) will have eternal life with Him.

All the teaching of Jesus, and by the definition you gave...it fits!

You seem to be confusing "What Jesus taught" and 'What is taught about Jesus" Jesus did not say the words in John 3:16, but the author of the Gospel of John (who we don't know which John it is) said that.


Matthew 16:21 made a claim about what Jesus said, but the author of Matthew was not Matthew, and copied from the Gospel of Mark, who got his information supposedly as a disciple of Peter when Peter was in Rome. As such, that is what is said about Jesus, rather than what Jesus said.

[Goat]

Is there one objective belief that all Christians universally hold?

Is there one objective belief about the bible?

Is there anything in the scriptures that has one singular interpretation?

How about the very beginning of the Bible:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

Even non-Messianic Jews agree with this.

There is debate on what the term 'Created' is though. Created as if formed from preexisted material, or created from nothing are the two things that are argued about.

[dianaiad]

Is there one objective belief that all Christians universally hold?

Is there one objective belief about the bible?

Is there anything in the scriptures that has one singular interpretation?

How about the very beginning of the Bible:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

Even non-Messianic Jews agree with this.

There is debate on what the term 'Created' is though. Created as if formed from preexisted material, or created from nothing are the two things that are argued about.

Indeed.

While many (if not most...I don't have an accurate count at all) Christians believe in creation 'ex nihilo," that is, 'creation from nothing," my own belief system teaches that it's more 'organization,' that is...creating something from stuff that is already there.

....rather like the 'Big Bang..." stuff was already THERE...something just happened and....boom.

I honestly do not know, offhand, how many other belief systems, Christian or non, hold this idea.