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"I am NOT an animal"

Many who do not appear to have much knowledge of biology seem indignant when learning that H. sapiens are classified as animals (alternatives being plant and virus). I do not recall ever hearing a Non-Theist object. 1) Is there something about religion that causes this?
arian wrote: You see I am NOT an animal, never was and never in a billion years will I evolve to be one, my family tree all the way back to Adam don't have one ape in it.
2) Why be upset, indignant or in denial about a biological / taxonomic classification?

3) Since humans differ from other animals only in degree (some mental and physical characteristics), what is the objection to recognizing that they are animals?

4) Is anything other than religion (and possibly narcissism) involved?


In the quoted statement someone (whose theological position apparently defies description) claims knowledge of his family tree back to Adam – as though that proves the claimant is not an animal. However, if the hypothetical Adam was human (H. sapiens), he (Adam) classifies as an animal.
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Clownboat wrote: Scientists describe virtually everything that is alive as animal or plant. So, if you’re not a plant then you are an animal!
Before you are nit-picked on this as though it was a major item, there are other categories, fungi being one.
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Zzyzx wrote: .
Clownboat wrote: Scientists describe virtually everything that is alive as animal or plant. So, if you’re not a plant then you are an animal!
Before you are nit-picked on this as though it was a major item, there are other categories, fungi being one.
Correct, but as I stated, I was quoting from a Children's site. The normal sites we would quote from would and have listed all the kingdoms. I thought I would try a different approach, that is all.
(Probably wise to address it before it can be made an issue though).

BTW... (Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Protista, Archaea/Archaeabacteria)
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arian wrote:And without the oceans, we wouldn't have had those tectonic plates separate the species (the continents would be all visibly connected by valleys,
Did oceans originate from asteroid impact?
Supposedly the water did:

http://earthsky.org/space/did-comets-br ... r-to-earth

But that doesn't explain why so much ended up on Earth and not the other planets, as the above article states:
Besides life, the biggest thing that distinguishes the Earth from other planets in the solar system is the presence of copious amounts of liquid water. Water molecules have been found in nebulae in distant reaches of the galaxy, so water itself isn’t uncommon in the universe. So it might be surprising to learn that no one really knows how all the water on Earth got here!
... perhaps it's as straightforward as:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." (Genesis 1:1-2)

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arian wrote:The Fall of Lucifer
Hello, Arian,

God was on vacation that day? During the whole Satan conspiracy.. the all knowing, all powerful.. all everything god.. did what, exactly during all of this conniving.. Sleeping?.. watching back to back netflix?

Helping? .. helping and abating?.. Being FOOLED by Satan and his minions?
arian wrote:I'm sure practically everyone heard about Alex Jones by now, right?
Why he don't get his head blown off, and why the military police pass him up? ...He spreads exactly what They want him to spread, which is fear, confusion, superficial information that's been out there for a while, and that's it.
so, it's Jones all along.. I just KNEW IT. you can tell by the shifty lizard eyes....

IF Jones dies.. it's proof of the conspiracy.
IF Jones does not die.. it's proof of the conspiracy.

Gosh.. everything is proof of the conspiracy, isn't it?

Blue sky?
Rain?
Your potential hang nail?
arian wrote:These spirits can mimic the "Fruits of Gods Holy Spirit" that supposed to be in us,
IF people are nice, they are mimics.. proof of the conspiracy.
IF people are NOT nice, they are proof of the conspiracy.

EVERYTHING is part of the conspiracy.
So, therefore, it's proof of a conspiracy.

therefore.. its all a conspiracy.
arian wrote:Yep, .. who would of known that such menial substance as red dye could kill strong and healthy daddy? Especially that his favorite cake was always red, like red velvet, or red Cool-aid, or, .. oh you got the message I hope?
The message is.. what.. that people make mistakes and that medical science is at work for us?

I'll watch out for that.
arian wrote:I know the demons will fight you, you cannot win, they are way too powerful and been in you since birth. They know you better than you know yourself, ...
So, they know YOU better than you know yourself, too.. wow.. ok.. and YOU cannot win. ok.. good.. They are WAY too powerful.. ok.. gotcha.

So, you have no way of knowing if they GOT you... oh darling.. what a pickle.

OH WAIT.. I'm sorry.. I used the word "you".. its never you.. lol.. it's ME..
It's everyone BUT you.. lol...sorry.. my bad.
arian wrote:but like I said, pray, .. give yourself to the One who can help and watch these demons run!
Ohhhh but the ONE you pray to might be the wrong ONE.. the very deceitfully wrong one.. who knows you even better than you know yourself.

DON'T TRUST ANYONE.. everything is a conspiracy...

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Zzyzx wrote:
arian wrote:And without the oceans, we wouldn't have had those tectonic plates separate the species (the continents would be all visibly connected by valleys,
Did oceans originate from asteroid impact?
Supposedly the water did:

http://earthsky.org/space/did-comets-br ... r-to-earth

But that doesn't explain why so much ended up on Earth and not the other planets, as the above article states:
Besides life, the biggest thing that distinguishes the Earth from other planets in the solar system is the presence of copious amounts of liquid water. Water molecules have been found in nebulae in distant reaches of the galaxy, so water itself isn’t uncommon in the universe. So it might be surprising to learn that no one really knows how all the water on Earth got here!
... perhaps it's as straightforward as:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." (Genesis 1:1-2)
Atmospheric pressure and a stable orbit seem pretty straightforward if you ask me.

No matter, water is probably a lot more common than you think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterre ... quid_water
Many scientists infer that liquid water once covered large areas of Venus and Mars. Water is thought to exist as liquid beneath the surface of planetary bodies, similar to groundwater on Earth. Water vapour is sometimes considered conclusive evidence for the presence of liquid water, although atmospheric water vapour may be found to exist in many places where liquid water does not. Similar indirect evidence, however, supports the existence of liquids below the surface of several moons and dwarf planets elsewhere in the Solar System.[1] Some are speculated to be large extraterrestrial "oceans".[1] Liquid water is thought to be common in other planetary systems, despite the lack of conclusive evidence, and there is a growing list of extrasolar candidates for liquid water.
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Zzyzx wrote:Many who do not appear to have much knowledge of biology seem indignant when learning that H. sapiens are classified as animals (alternatives being plant and virus).
WinePusher wrote:Many who do not appear to have much knowledge of biology seem indignant when learning that the alternatives to animals are not plant and virus. Animals are one of 6 kingdoms, the other five being plants, fungi, protists, archaeabacteria and eubacteria.
Zzyzx wrote:Thank you for display of scientific knowledge. I should have specified "major or commonly known alternatives."
Thank you for admitting and correcting your mistake. Those who claim that other people do not have much knowledge of biology should check their own knowledge first, agreed?

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Zzyzx wrote: "I am NOT an animal"

Many who do not appear to have much knowledge of biology seem indignant when learning that H. sapiens are classified as animals (alternatives being plant and virus). I do not recall ever hearing a Non-Theist object. 1) Is there something about religion that causes this?
arian wrote: You see I am NOT an animal, never was and never in a billion years will I evolve to be one, my family tree all the way back to Adam don't have one ape in it.
2) Why be upset, indignant or in denial about a biological / taxonomic classification?

3) Since humans differ from other animals only in degree (some mental and physical characteristics), what is the objection to recognizing that they are animals?

4) Is anything other than religion (and possibly narcissism) involved?


In the quoted statement someone (whose theological position apparently defies description) claims knowledge of his family tree back to Adam – as though that proves the claimant is not an animal. However, if the hypothetical Adam was human (H. sapiens), he (Adam) classifies as an animal.
For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20)
If man has no preeminence over the animals, then we would have to be equal to or less than the animals.

It seems that equal to would be the better option.

So I say we are animals.

We do have dominion over the other animals:
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
And according to the Bible, we are the only animal which has the possibility of gaining everlasting spiritual life.

Nonetheless, we are still animals.

There is nothing wrong with being an animal.

Some of my best friends are animals. :D

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1213 wrote:
Zzyzx wrote: In the quoted statement someone (whose theological position apparently defies description) claims knowledge of his family tree back to Adam – as though that proves the claimant is not an animal. However, if the hypothetical Adam was human (H. sapiens), he (Adam) classifies as an animal.
1213 wrote:In Biblical “Classification humans is created separately from animals as image of God. It makes human different than animal.

That I think is the reason for not accepting to be animal. However it is totally different think and matter of belief does person accept Biblical classification.

I don’t see why person should accept modern biological classification, even if there are similarities in physical structure.
I don't mind scientific classifications, it is a name given to a group of living things that are alike. It certainly doesn't take away from who I am because I am in the same classification as a goat or sheep. As Christians, our identity does not come from man, but from God, would you agree?

There is a huge difference in being classified as an animal, and evolving from one (which I have a hard time swallowing).

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Blastcat wrote:
arian wrote:The Fall of Lucifer
Hello, Arian,
Hello there.
Blastcat wrote:God was on vacation that day? During the whole Satan conspiracy.. the all knowing, all powerful.. all everything god.. did what, exactly during all of this conniving.. Sleeping?.. watching back to back netflix?
No observing from a distance, hinting with that "still small Voice".

What did you expect, God right behind Lucifer: "Whattya doin' Lucifer, .. who are you talking to? Say what, what did you just say to that Angel, .. you wana be like who? Hey, .. where are you runnin off to now, heh? Oh down to earth ey? I see who you and you buddies are looking at, the women of earth, I see the way you look at them! Here let me look inside your mind, .. OOoooohhh My! Those are some dirty thoughts there buddy, I dare you do what you just thought and watch me fry your ass with a lightning bolt! Come on, .. I dare you!?" lol.

Now that would be your imaginary Deities, not the Father I know and love.
Blastcat wrote:Helping? .. helping and abating?.. Being FOOLED by Satan and his minions?
I just don't get it? Everybody claims to be a "Former Christian, .. Read the entire Bible, .. seeks evidence, .. hope there is a god, .." yet look what comes out of their thoughts; "Being fooled by Satan, .. God helping and abating"?? Well no wonder you guys hate God, you don't know Jack who our Creator God is?
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arian wrote:I'm sure practically everyone heard about Alex Jones by now, right?
Why he don't get his head blown off, and why the military police pass him up? ...He spreads exactly what They want him to spread, which is fear, confusion, superficial information that's been out there for a while, and that's it.
so, it's Jones all along.. I just KNEW IT. you can tell by the shifty lizard eyes....
Right? I knew something was fishy about his eyes, now I see you noticed that too!
Blastcat wrote:IF Jones dies.. it's proof of the conspiracy.
IF Jones does not die.. it's proof of the conspiracy.
Naw, .. it's more than that. Besides, they could kill him either way, Hitler killed of many of his closest friends and Diviners who even helped him move up in ranks.
Blastcat wrote:Gosh.. everything is proof of the conspiracy, isn't it?

Blue sky?
Rain?
Your potential hang nail?
Well when you live in a State for 35 years, and the very reason you moved there; the sunny dark blue skies, and then suddenly in a few years all these planes crisscross all over the place spraying like hell till you can't see even the closest mountains, and it stays all day without raining making the sun set as bright as a flash from a camera, then you see all the info leaking out, even an idiot like me can put two and two together. Why, .. what excuse did they tell you to tell people? Just make fun and belittle everything they say. Play along, make light of the conversation and act like you never seen ANY of what they say. And even if your going blind from the spray, and throwing up blood, you are not to admit that it's the gas we put in the air. We'll then make a special program for you in the Matrix where you can be a King of your own Kingdom and live forever!
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arian wrote:These spirits can mimic the "Fruits of Gods Holy Spirit" that supposed to be in us,
IF people are nice, they are mimics.. proof of the conspiracy.
IF people are NOT nice, they are proof of the conspiracy.
Aww.. I could just see you as one of those officers who let Dahmer take that last boy he drilled holes in his head back to his apartment, even though he was signaling for help, and others saying that this boy was asking them for help, only he seemed drugged and out of it, and terribly afraid!
Naw, .. Dahmer was so nice, there ain't no way he would be hurting his little boyfriend.
Blastcat wrote:EVERYTHING is part of the conspiracy.
So, therefore, it's proof of a conspiracy.

therefore.. its all a conspiracy.
Lol, .. I see they rushed you through the 'Agenda 21' denial-training. Just tell them; "Conspiracy, conspiracy, everything is a conspiracy! Go home and watch non-stop Netflix, let us your loving government handle the conspiracies, we have eyes everywhere!"
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arian wrote:Yep, .. who would of known that such menial substance as red dye could kill strong and healthy daddy? Especially that his favorite cake was always red, like red velvet, or red Cool-aid, or, .. oh you got the message I hope?
The message is.. what.. that people make mistakes and that medical science is at work for us?

I'll watch out for that.
Your right, people do make mistakes, even nurses and doctors and soldiers and generals and even Presidents. I mean how could anyone blame those poor Nazi soldiers for 'accidently' putting Zyklon B into the showers instead of turning the water on? So 6 million people died, so what? They cleaned up the mess! it's not like it was some conspiracy to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth or anything, .. right?
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arian wrote:I know the demons will fight you, you cannot win, they are way too powerful and been in you since birth. They know you better than you know yourself, ...
So, they know YOU better than you know yourself, too.. wow.. ok.. and YOU cannot win. ok.. good.. They are WAY too powerful.. ok.. gotcha.
Yeah, .. once you open yourself up to demonic possession, eventually they'll run your body the way they want, and you will become less and less in control of yourself. The ONLY power is calling upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Just remember it's not that Deity sun-god who rules from the supernatural realm, but Jesus the Son of God.
Blastcat wrote:So, you have no way of knowing if they GOT you... oh darling.. what a pickle.
Yes, so just be careful, especially you already have all the signs of denial, so better wake up my friend, I can help.
Here is a good example what is happening to millions if not billions of people who are totally convinced that there is no conspiracy, but that the earth is going through a New Age Evolution cycle, and that the Earth is being recycled:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqSZhwu1Rwo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHz9it70TdI
Blastcat wrote:OH WAIT.. I'm sorry.. I used the word "you".. its never you.. lol.. it's ME..
It's everyone BUT you.. lol...sorry.. my bad.
Hey, no problem my friend, I know how I sound to you, only I wish you could see/hear how you sound to me? Maybe watching those videos might wake you up, because this time the demons have succeeded deceiving the people on a world wide scale, with music, movies, TV, video games, symbols on t-shirts, shoes, tattoos, education system, spraying in the air to alter peoples minds on the genetic level, in our food, .. I mean no one can deny that the masses are ready for that 'next jump in evolution' (whatever the hell they mean by that? But that's besides the point), whether it's a spaceship to Mars, or killing themselves to get into CHAPPiE suit (robot) or just download their souls on to a disk and send it off into space hoping some intelligent alien race will revive them off the disk.
But the demonic-leaders know that only a few hundred thousand could be convinced to be killed that way (evolve to the next level), so they have planned a total annihilation, purge style where they are preparing to cut off all food and water and have the people go at each other, all the while bombarding them with HAARP signals that have made everything from birds to fish to whales commit suicide, including bees, .. and humans you are next! Look at the Marshal Applewhite cult, look at how sure the students of Doe the self proclaimed Sci-Fi-Jesus were in their exit-videos? People please, this is exactly what's happening to you, whether you are attending church, or your local pub, or sports bar, you are being prepped to be raptured out of here through suicide. And for you my age or older, it will be your own children that will make sure you make that 'Evolutionary-jump', armed to the teeth with weapons no human can escape from.

I am NOT playing guys, this is real. Every time I hear Richard Dawkins make a speech, I see this guy Marshal Applewhite in him. I mean honestly open your eyes and see just how crazy he is with his war against a Creator, like a mad man, half the time he is completely out of it, doesn't even know what he is saying? That's because the demons in him are speaking.
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arian wrote:but like I said, pray, .. give yourself to the One who can help and watch these demons run!
Ohhhh but the ONE you pray to might be the wrong ONE.. the very deceitfully wrong one.. who knows you even better than you know yourself.

DON'T TRUST ANYONE.. everything is a conspiracy...
Ahh, .. spoken like a true patriot/prophet, or a student of Do! Do and Ti would be so proud of you!

Why do you think everyone is denying my Undeniable Scientific evidence of our Creator? Because it's not them anymore, it is who rules in man that is scared of what I reveal. Look at all the study on consciousness and the mind, for what? Come on, for what? Oh yea, so they could administer the right drugs for the right patient, .. lol. Yes, and then to keep everyone healthy living for two, three hundred years, they will inject nanobots to keep you going like an 18 year old forever.

Oh yea, about the Agenda 21 plan, well that must go on as planned! Oh yea, about those nanobots .. well they aren't going 'into you' anymore, instead we are going to turn you into a nanobot and put you in a Matrix, or send you off to Mars. Oh you'll just love the fresh air there, and talk about getting a nice deep tan, oh you will get a tan alright, even if living deep in the ground, your bones themselves will turn brown from the radiation within a few days. ANYTHING to get off this God-created chaotic horrible place called earth that we are working so hard to 'Recycle'.
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myth-one.com wrote:
For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20)

If man has no preeminence over the animals, then we would have to be equal to or less than the animals.

It seems that equal to would be the better option.

So I say we are animals.


Hello Myth-one, hope all is well with you.

So you have also fallen to the Evolution religion, they are very accommodating and can go side by side with almost any religion, something like Catholics; "We have our gods, or you can BYOG" (like the invitation to a college party, BYOB - bring your own beer)

For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20)

I don't see how man is an animal from this Bible quote? Both from the dust yes, have the breath of life, yes, go back to dust, yes, but man is not this flesh, this is a tent. Who we really are is the spirit/mind in this body of flesh, which is from God. Sure God Spirit gives life to the animals too, and the plants, but they don't have that 'image' or likeness of our Creator like we do.

The whole idea of the Evolution theory is to ignore Gods Spirit in man, his mind and make him think that all he is, is the flesh, in which case he is not much different then the animals. Once the mind/spirit of man is reduced to the brain, then like all animals man also acts on instinct, and this free will is nothing but an imaginary impulse created by millions of years of evolution accumulated in the brain.

So if man is just an animal, who then is this God?
That's right, then God is just the imagination of the brain, and the Evolution religion wins, it has succeeded in deceiving man that there is no Creator other than the created.

This little video is pretty good in explaining that there is more to man then this body:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4E_bT4ecgk

myth-one.com wrote:We do have dominion over the other animals:
The Bible wrote:And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


And according to the Bible, we are the only animal which has the possibility of gaining everlasting spiritual life.

Nonetheless, we are still animals.


So do "All Animal Go To Heaven"? I heard all Dogs Go to Heaven!?

What is 'spiritual life' to an animal, or to the flesh in general?

myth-one.com wrote:There is nothing wrong with being an animal.


Yeah, .. nothing wrong for an animal, but I would definitely object to being turned into one, and live out the rest of my life as an animal! Even if it was only for 7-years.

myth-one.com wrote:Some of my best friends are animals. :D


Well yeah, .. some of us could even say; "the only true friends I've got on earth are animals" lol but sadly.



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