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Our 'Saint' Has More Claims!

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From Post 40 here:
Psalm139 wrote: ...
A saint isn't used by our Creator for that purpose. He uses psychics to totally confuse non-believers who believe they can tell their future.
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For debate:

Please offer some means to confirm the claims are true.
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OnceConvinced wrote:
JoeyKnothead wrote: From Post 40 here:
Psalm139 wrote: ...
A saint isn't used by our Creator for that purpose. He uses psychics to totally confuse non-believers who believe they can tell their future.
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For debate:

Please offer some means to confirm the claims are true.
If this guy was a saint, he wouldn't be on a website like this. He'd be a celebrity amongst the churches. They'd all be wanting him to visit their churches and towns, speaking on stage, do evangelical crusades etc.
I think he wrote earlier that only "saints" can know if he is a saint or not. So these other churches.. aren't saints.

Pretty air tight reasoning.

I asked him about that.. IF only saints can know if he is a true saint or not..

1. Why bother with people who won't be able to know of his "sainthood"?
2. Why do these other "saints" who can, NEED to hear his words?


It looks like I would need to "follow" him into his new sub-forum to find out.

But I have a few reasons not to do so:

1. I don't feel like giving someone the bogus ego gratification of following him anywhere.
2. I don't feel like giving anyone the ability to say that even Blastcat the atheist is following him anywhere.
3. I don't feel like supporting delusions.

On the other hand. dealing with the crazy ideas of the world is why I'm in here.

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Blastcat wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote:
JoeyKnothead wrote: From Post 40 here:
Psalm139 wrote: ...
A saint isn't used by our Creator for that purpose. He uses psychics to totally confuse non-believers who believe they can tell their future.
...
For debate:

Please offer some means to confirm the claims are true.
If this guy was a saint, he wouldn't be on a website like this. He'd be a celebrity amongst the churches. They'd all be wanting him to visit their churches and towns, speaking on stage, do evangelical crusades etc.
I think he wrote earlier that only "saints" can know if he is a saint or not. So these other churches.. aren't saints.

Pretty air tight reasoning.

I asked him about that.. IF only saints can know if he is a true saint or not..

1. Why bother with people who won't be able to know of his "sainthood"?
2. Why do these other "saints" who can, NEED to hear his words?

It looks like I would need to "follow" him into his new sub-forum to find out.

But I have a few reasons not to do so:

1. I don't feel like giving someone the bogus ego gratification of following him anywhere.
2. I don't feel like giving anyone the ability to say that even Blastcat the atheist is following him anywhere.
3. I don't feel like supporting delusions.

On the other hand. dealing with the crazy ideas of the world is why I'm in here.
Believers don't need to know whether I'm a saint or not. They're only interested in hearing the voice of the Lord, which is the gospel I preach to them.

You may think I'm delusional but haven't you ever questioned where you get your thoughts from?

sf

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OnceConvinced wrote:If this guy was a saint, he wouldn't be on a website like this. He'd be a celebrity amongst the churches. They'd all be wanting him to visit their churches and towns, speaking on stage, do evangelical crusades etc.
There's a song by the Christian Rock group Abandon called Hero, which starts out describing Jesus:
He walked the dirty streets
Famous for nothing

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sfisher wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote:If this guy was a saint, he wouldn't be on a website like this. He'd be a celebrity amongst the churches. They'd all be wanting him to visit their churches and towns, speaking on stage, do evangelical crusades etc.
There's a song by the Christian Rock group Abandon called Hero, which starts out describing Jesus:
He walked the dirty streets
Famous for nothing
Yet was welcomed into Jerusalem as a huge celebrity.

I'm sure if Jesus had the internet in his time he'd know that he wasn't going to get anywhere and that he needed to get out there and prove himself.

Do you believe this guy to be a saint?

I personally don't and see no point in giving him attention.

Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

Prayer is like rubbing an old bottle and hoping that a genie will pop out and grant you three wishes.

There is much about this world that is mind boggling and impressive, but I see no need whatsoever to put it down to magical super powered beings.


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SailingCyclops wrote:
Psalm139 wrote: Researching for evidence is a great way for plagiarizers to make people think they are smarter than they really are. Most people can't speak from their own hearts about the things they believe in. They need outside support to convince someone that they understand what they believe.
Research is a valid way to discover truth, to study, to learn, to challenge your beliefs. Your disdain and total misunderstanding of research and evidence is disturbingly clear from your posts.
Psalm139 wrote:Do you think I'm stupid?
Yes I do.
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OnceConvinced wrote:
sfisher wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote:If this guy was a saint, he wouldn't be on a website like this. He'd be a celebrity amongst the churches. They'd all be wanting him to visit their churches and towns, speaking on stage, do evangelical crusades etc.
There's a song by the Christian Rock group Abandon called Hero, which starts out describing Jesus:
He walked the dirty streets
Famous for nothing
Yet was welcomed into Jerusalem as a huge celebrity.
He was welcomed by God's chosen believers, not the antichrists who had him killed by the Roman government. It won't be long before my time here on earth is over for the same reason.
I'm sure if Jesus had the internet in his time he'd know that he wasn't going to get anywhere and that he needed to get out there and prove himself.

Do you believe this guy to be a saint?

I personally don't and see no point in giving him attention.
One non-believer won't change a thing in this world.

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Psalm139 wrote: One non-believer won't change a thing in this world.
This claim is wrong by a factor of 100 or more.

There have been many non believers who have had an enormous impact on the world.
Karl Marx and Socrates come to mind as part of a very long list.

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Psalm139 wrote: I know exactly how we were created and I can produce all kinds of evidence to support this claim ....
Well then, what are you waiting for? Produce your evidence so we common folk can chew on it, digest it, and possible regurgitate it back at you.

PLEASE PLEASE produce your evidence.

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Psalm139 wrote: You may think I'm delusional but haven't you ever questioned where you get your thoughts from?
I have, and have concluded my thinking comes from my brain, my locomotion comes from my legs and feet, my strength comes from my muscles, and my view of the environment comes through my eyes. It is delusional to believe these attributes of the human body come from somewhere, or from someone, who is unseen, unheard, undetectable, ethereal, and or imaginary.

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