Sanctity of Marriage

[Zzyzx]

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From somewhere on the web

Thirty eight million people registered on an infidelity website, but don't forget it's the gays who are "Ruining the sanctity of marriage"

Surely none of those 38 million who seek adulterous relationships are Christians. Right?

At least, they aren't REAL Christians -- or they aren't from my church / sect. Right?

[tam]

Poignant.

I'm not sure it matters if they call themselves christian or not. But that is still at least 38 million people who are actually 'ruining the sanctity of marriage'. Their own marriages at that.

Gays getting married can't actually do anything TO marriage. Their marriages have absolutely no effect on others' marriages.


Peace to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[Zzyzx]

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Poignant.

I'm not sure it matters if they call themselves christian or not. But that is still at least 38 million people who are actually 'ruining the sanctity of marriage'. Their own marriages at that.

Gays getting married can't actually do anything TO marriage. Their marriages have absolutely no effect on others' marriages.

Thanks Tam, we are in agreement.

The reason I mention religion is that religious organizations and spokesmen tend to use the "sanctity of marriage" in their opposition to gay marriage -- while in all probability many of the 38 million (or whatever number) who are actually destroying that "sanctity" by their documented actions (advertising for adulterous relationships) are members of the same religion(s).

Gross hypocrisy comes to mind.

[Paprika]

I've commented before (in real life) that many Christians' focus on homosexuality as a threat to marriage is merely displacement to avoid dealing with the own issues within the church. Fundamentally the problem is the unthinking adoption and viral spread of various progressive/liberal ideas within the church - the vehemence against homosexuality stands out because the other liberal ideas (eg freer divorce, undermining the roles of sexes within marriage) have already been or are being assimilated.

[ttruscott]

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From somewhere on the web

Thirty eight million people registered on an infidelity website, but don't forget it's the gays who are "Ruining the sanctity of marriage"

Surely none of those 38 million who seek adulterous relationships are Christians. Right?

At least, they aren't REAL Christians -- or they aren't from my church / sect. Right?

Do real Christians sin? Of course they do. Are they properly dealt with by GOD? Of course: Heb 12:5-11.

But these verses also support the idea that they will quit sinning and with choose righteousness forever. That is our faith...

[ttruscott]

I've commented before (in real life) that many Christians' focus on homosexuality as a threat to marriage is merely displacement to avoid dealing with the own issues within the church. Fundamentally the problem is the unthinking adoption and viral spread of various progressive/liberal ideas within the church - the vehemence against homosexuality stands out because the other liberal ideas (eg freer divorce, undermining the roles of sexes within marriage) have already been or are being assimilated.

Might this not be a prediction that further changes in our morés are coming upon us: poligamy, polyandry, child love including marriage as used by the pedophile community which seems to be huge, etc?

[enviousintheeverafter]

[Replying to post 1 by Zzyzx]

Indeed, the "threatening the sanctity of marriage" argument is a complete red herring. But given that the primary reasons for opposing SSM/homosexuality are irrational/emotional and/or religious- reasons which obviously don't carry any weight in a secular political/legal domain- opponents of equality are obliged to come up with some other excuse for their position.

[Ancient of Years]

I've commented before (in real life) that many Christians' focus on homosexuality as a threat to marriage is merely displacement to avoid dealing with the own issues within the church. Fundamentally the problem is the unthinking adoption and viral spread of various progressive/liberal ideas within the church - the vehemence against homosexuality stands out because the other liberal ideas (eg freer divorce, undermining the roles of sexes within marriage) have already been or are being assimilated.

Might this not be a prediction that further changes in our morés are coming upon us: poligamy, polyandry, child love including marriage as used by the pedophile community which seems to be huge, etc?

Why? All that has happened is that adults who were being denied rights and benefits already made available to other adults can now get access to those rights and benefits, as required by the 14th Amendment equal protection provisions. Polygamy, polyandry and child molestation are not now legally available to anyone. There is no inequality under the law to redress.

[Paprika]

I've commented before (in real life) that many Christians' focus on homosexuality as a threat to marriage is merely displacement to avoid dealing with the own issues within the church. Fundamentally the problem is the unthinking adoption and viral spread of various progressive/liberal ideas within the church - the vehemence against homosexuality stands out because the other liberal ideas (eg freer divorce, undermining the roles of sexes within marriage) have already been or are being assimilated.

Might this not be a prediction that further changes in our morés are coming upon us: poligamy, polyandry, child love including marriage as used by the pedophile community which seems to be huge, etc?

Logically these should follow from the principles that many have argued for changing the definition of marriage from male-female to include male-male, eg "people should be able to marry the ones they love!", and certainly many Christians have banged on this slippery slope drum. But why should we expect the 'opponents' in this cultural war to move as we want them to move? This expectation is wishful thinking and while wishful thinking may be on occasion right it makes no sense strategically.

In reality, this banging is opposed what we see: the current conflict that is brewing is the T-war, as revealed by all the hype and adulation Bruce Jenner has received, and attempts to allow transsexuals to serve openly in the US Army, to name two examples.

[enviousintheeverafter]

Might this not be a prediction that further changes in our morés are coming upon us: poligamy, polyandry, child love including marriage as used by the pedophile community which seems to be huge, etc?

Well no, certainly not in the last case. No logical connection between pedophilia and homosexuality, and this-

Logically these should follow from the principles that many have argued for changing the definition of marriage from male-female to include male-male

is patently false, particularly in the case of pedophilia. I can't think of a single common argument for SSM that would apply to pedophilia (it doesn't harm anybody? nope, that doesn't work- pedophilia is harmful.. involving two consenting adults? nope, clearly that doesn't apply... its a natural, normal, and healthy variation of human sexuality? nope, that's a no-go as well.. we could go on, but you get the idea)