Donald Trump has exposed 'evangelical' voters

[Danmark]

I was raised as an evangelical. I WAS an evangelical. It is clear that Trump is not an authentic evangelical; he knows next to nothing about the Bible and has lived and continues to live and promote a lifestyle that is antithetical to evangelical Christianity.
Yet he is doing very well, better than any other Republican candidate, among evangelicals.

My conclusion is that evangelicals care much more about secular politics than about true Christian values. Has Trump support among 'evangelicals' exposed the fact the 'evangelical voting block' is not based on Christian values, but on secular political values?

[Danmark]

[Replying to post 159 by Danmark]

You appear unable to respond to my post.

Please refer to post #156. Do you see the boldened [sic] part?

I have responded. I cited facts that shows he alienates people which is the opposite effect a Christian should have on others. See Proverbs 16:7.

"Ted Cruz is not a True Christian
Publicly humiliating a [former] porn actor is not what Jesus would do."
http://time.com/4220576/ted-cruz-is-not ... christian/
"When his campaign discovered that an actress in one of his Internet ads had a porn past, it pulled the ad, and issued a grossed-out apology...."
Jesus would have acted differently:
"And it came to pass that Jesus entered the city of Capernaum, where a sinful woman came to him while he was at table. Weeping, she washed his feet and anointed him with oil, and He told her, “your faith has saved you; go in peace.� Because that’s the kind of Guy he was – always with the prostitutes and the destitute, the unclean women and the lepers and even with the tax collectors."
....
"the Cruz campaign has committed a grave wrong. It spurned and publicly humiliated a sinner in the very act of moving from sin toward grace."
ibid
See:
http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/14/im- ... -ted-cruz/

There are many other examples of Cruz's unchristian behavior.

In 1997, Michael Wayne Haley was arrested after stealing a calculator from Walmart.This was a crime that merited a maximum two-year prison term. But prosecutors incorrectly applied a habitual offender law. Neither the judge nor the defense lawyer caught the error and Haley was sentenced to 16 years.

Eventually, the mistake came to light and Haley tried to fix it. Ted Cruz was solicitor general of Texas at the time. Instead of just letting Haley go for time served, Cruz took the case to the Supreme Court to keep Haley in prison for the full 16 years.

Some justices were skeptical. “Is there some rule that you can’t confess error in your state?� Justice Anthony Kennedy asked.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/12/opini ... .html?_r=1
Ted Cruz represents what is worst in the "Christian" subculture. Doing so, he makes all Christians look bad. These are just some of the reasons many Christian evangelicals reject Ted Cruz.

[abell29]

[Replying to post 1 by Danmark]
Hello,  

I am a cultural anthropology student working through my anthropology capstone course. I am researching whether or not current (within the last five years) events such as marriage equality and the Affordable Care Act are uniting the Catholics and Protestants? If anyone would like to anonymously answer my questions, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time and I do not wish to sideline the current debate at all.  

1) What have you felt you have witnessed as far as the evolution of the relationship between Catholics and the Protestants?  

2)When a natural disaster occurs if your congregation decides to step in and help would you coordinate your efforts only within your denomination?  


3)In your opinion do you feel that the onset of frequent natural disasters has encouraged a closer working relationship between Protestants and Catholics due to the sheer volume and frequency of these occurrences?  

4)In your opinion do you feel like the resolved issue of the Affordable Care Act that exempted certain religious organizations but not religious organizations that employed employees of different faiths or of no faith at all, to pay for birth control and abortions and the issue surrounding the definition of marriage are uniting Christians from different denominations?  

5)What was your interpretation of the response the Pope received when he came to America?  

6)How significant is the importance of the response received from the Pope's support/ nonsupport of Kim Davis?Back to top

[Danmark]

1) What have you felt you have witnessed as far as the evolution of the relationship between Catholics and the Protestants?  

2)When a natural disaster occurs if your congregation decides to step in and help would you coordinate your efforts only within your denomination?  


3)In your opinion do you feel that the onset of frequent natural disasters has encouraged a closer working relationship between Protestants and Catholics due to the sheer volume and frequency of these occurrences?  

4)In your opinion do you feel like the resolved issue of the Affordable Care Act that exempted certain religious organizations but not religious organizations that employed employees of different faiths or of no faith at all, to pay for birth control and abortions and the issue surrounding the definition of marriage are uniting Christians from different denominations?  

5)What was your interpretation of the response the Pope received when he came to America?  

6)How significant is the importance of the response received from the Pope's support/ nonsupport of Kim Davis?Back to top

1) My general sense is that many Christians have moved closer to each other, seeing atheists and 'secular humanists' as the greater threat.
2) N/A, but as a non theist I would work with all groups to provide united relief.
3) Makes sense, but you really have to do a survey to find out.
4) No opinion because I have no data; however, the religious right from all faiths and denominations continues to be a voice of discord that drives people away from those faiths. The absurd positions of people like Pat Robertson and the false Islam of Muslim extremists who endorse terrorism damage religion in general.
5) I thought it was very positive. Pope Francis represents what is good about Christianity. He's a uniter, not a divider. He represents compassion and understanding.
6) It was obvious the Pope did NOT support the kind of phony antichristianity of people like Kim Davis. She seems like exactly the kind of person Jesus rebuked.

[abell29]

[Replying to post 163 by Danmark]

Thank you for your response!

[Volbrigade]

[Replying to post 161 by Danmark]

Really.

So Cruz's campaign was justifiably embarrassed to be associated with a porn actress.

And he may have acted overzealously 20 years ago as a young Solicitor General.

May have. 20 years ago.

So your entire case for agreeing with the poster who said everything Sen. Cruz has done or said "is contrary to the teachings of Jesus and the Christian faith" is based on those two incidences?

Thanks.

Any doubt as to how much credence to give your posts has been settled.

Here's another side of the story:

https://world.wng.org/2016/04/friends_of_ted

[Danmark]

[Replying to post 161 by Danmark]

Really.

So Cruz's campaign was justifiably embarrassed to be associated with a porn actress.

And he may have acted overzealously 20 years ago as a young Solicitor General.

May have. 20 years ago.

So your entire case for agreeing with the poster who said everything Sen. Cruz has done or said "is contrary to the teachings of Jesus and the Christian faith" is based on those two incidences?

Thanks.

Any doubt as to how much credence to give your posts has been settled.

Here's another side of the story:

https://world.wng.org/2016/04/friends_of_ted

So, you offer not a single argument to the factual, unbiased reports, some from Christians. Zero argument from you. Instead you offer something from "Friends of Ted." I won't bother. Do you have ANYTHING from an unbiased source?

Ted's Friends...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sam ... f53af0c003

Yes, Ted's friends, all four of them, call for the murder of homosexuals. Very impressive.

[Volbrigade]

[Replying to post 166 by Danmark]

Yes, Ted's friends, all four of them, call for the murder of homosexuals. Very impressive.

That's a lie.

You are a liar, with nothing of substance or value or veracity to say in regard to the specious charge referred to.

I do not waste time with liars.

Good day.

[Peds nurse]

[Replying to post 160 by Volbrigade]


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[Danmark]

[Replying to post 166 by Danmark]

Yes, Ted's friends, all four of them, call for the murder of homosexuals. Very impressive.

That's a lie.

You are a liar, with nothing of substance or value or veracity to say in regard to the specious charge referred to.

I do not waste time with liars.

Good day.

What was a "lie." I referenced:
"Bee then introduced several men of faith who support Cruz. One example: Colorado pastor Kevin Swanson, who appears in a video clip declaring “Homosexuals are worthy of death!� For accurately quoting someone else, you call ME a "liar."

BTW, "all four of them" was obviously a joke.
I'm not sure Ted has four friends.

[Danmark]

[center]VIDEO UNEARTHED=> Pastor Calls for Execution of Gays – Then Introduces Ted Cruz at Conference[/center]

In November Senator Ted Cruz appeared at the National Religious Liberties Conference in Iowa, where he courted the support of the conference’s organizer, Colorado-based pastor and radio host Kevin Swanson.http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03 ... -on-stage/

[center]"Ted Cruz Campaign Finally Admits It Was a ‘Mistake’ To Attend ‘Kill the Gays’ Rally."[/center]
"Without much fanfare, Ted Cruz’s campaign admitted late last year that it was a mistake for Cruz to attend Pastor Kevin Swanson’s “kill the gays� rally.

Back in November, we told you about Swanson’s rally in which he called for the execution of homosexuals because such punishment is deemed appropriate in the book of Leviticus."
http://www.towleroad.com/2016/02/303561/