Is Jesus God ?!!

[mms20102]

As for all Christians its known by nature that Jesus is God yet there are many contradictions in the bible that can prove that Jesus is only a prophet .

In this debate i want every one who has a good knowledge to give the reasonable proofs that Jesus is god or at any point of the bible where Jesus said worship me .

At the same time i will be providing proofs from the bible that Jesus is not God but only a messenger

as for a start i will ask a question :

What Are The Qualification Of God ?!

[Tired of the Nonsense]

[Replying to FiremanWes77]

Jesus is God because the NT says so in exactly the same way that Allah is God because the Qur'an says so, or there is an angel named Moroni Because the Book of Mormon says so. It's all a matter of exactly where one chooses to direct their personal gullibility. Or not.

[Zzyzx]

[Monta]

[FiremanWes77]

[Replying to post 83 by Monta]

Ok, I have thought about it and I will try to take a different angle at this that might be more(doubtedly) more acceptable. I believe we can for the most part agree that Jesus walked the earth. There is enough secular historic evidence proving He lived and died the crucifixion death. Whether or not you agree on the said miracles performed by Christ, let's focus on the death of Christ. Christ died and said He would rise in 3 days. Now we have 3 factions involved in this, The followers of Christ, The Jews, and the Romans. All 3 we're directly affected by his death and resurrection.

Rome needed Christ dead. He declared himself to be a King. This was a threat to Rome. There was already tension between the Jews and Rome. The last thing Rome wanted was someone else causing more trouble for them. Jesus was rallying people together and causing unrest in Jeruselem. Rome needed Him dealt with.

Jews needed Christ dead. He undermined their authority. Not much else to say, they hated Him.

Believers, didn't want Him to die, They wanted Him to establish His kingdom and overthrow Roman authority.

After He died, it was crucial to all 3 parties what happened next. After 3 days the body was missing. As a believer, I say he resurrected. Jews and Romans say His body was stolen.

Rome and the Jews needed His body found. It would put an end to the Christian uprising and settle the matter. Neither party had anything to gain by His body missing and if they had the body they would have gladly produced it. They NEEDED the body.

Both accuse Christs followers of stealing the body. Why would they steal the body? If the believers found the body they would know that it was all a lie and there would be no reason to go forward with believing in Christ. He said He would rise from the grave, if he didn't, declare it false and save yourself the trouble. If He did rise, well then you have to believe. Historical evidence shows that 11 out of 12 of His deciples died a martyre death. If they had the body, why go through that for a lie. There is zero evedence that any of them ever recanted. They all died horrible deaths. That's just history, not fables.

Every believer in Christ has there view of why Christianity is real. I believe it all hinges on the point of, did He get up? Christ said the only sign that would be given this generation would be the sign of Jonah, 3 days in the belly of the earth, and then he would rise. Here's the question for you, did He get up?

Examine the resurrection. That's where the truth is.

[Monta]

[Replying to FiremanWes77]

"Examine the resurrection. That's where the truth is."

You bring up some interesting points one of them resurrection which is just as
important as many other parts of Jesus' life.

Resurrection fits in with the rest of the purpose of Christ's coming to earth:
to unite the Human with the Divine in Himself.

This is what was meant when He said: I am the way the truth and the life.

[Tired of the Nonsense]

[Replying to FiremanWes77]

Examine the resurrection. That's where the truth is.

According to the followers of Jesus, Jesus not only returned to life, but subsequently flew away, off up into the clouds. What part of these claims provide even the slightest hint of "truth?" Far from resembling, "the truth," have you ever really even considered just how absurd these claims actually are?

[Monta]

[Replying to Tired of the Nonsense]

"According to the followers of Jesus, Jesus not only returned to life, but subsequently flew away, off up into the clouds. What part of these claims provide even the slightest hint of "truth?" Far from resembling, "the truth," have you ever really even considered just how absurd these claims actually are?"

Please read the Gospels before you claim to nonsense.

Jesus did not fly. The Bible says he was taken up to heaven.
Thousands of people who have had NDE/OBE never said they flew.

We constantly consider many absurd claims while not limiting our mind
to infinite possibilities by shutting it off in a box.

[Zzyzx]

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Jesus did not fly. The Bible says he was taken up to heaven.

What, exactly, does "taken up to heaven" mean? Kindly describe the process and show how you know that it occurred.

Thousands of people who have had NDE/OBE never said they flew.

Is this to say that NDE/OBE are related to "resurrections" and "ascensions""? If so, show the connection.

We constantly consider many absurd claims while not limiting our mind
to infinite possibilities by shutting it off in a box.

Yes, many absurd claims are considered -- and after careful consideration are properly regarded as absurd.

[FiremanWes77]

[Replying to post 86 by Tired of the Nonsense]

It's called faith. Faith is believing in something you can't see or explain, and I do not expect you to get it. But then again you should get it. As agnostic or atheist you are cornered into Darwinism. There is no way to explain how all the creatures of the earth got here except Creationism or Darwinism. That's it, there's no other way. I think we can agree on that. So as an atheist you place your belief in evolution, yet there is not one ounce of archeological evidence proving evolution. It is a theory with no concrete evidence, yet it's what you are forced to believe whether you like it or not. Not only is evolution absurd, the way the earth was formed according to scientist in my opinion takes more faith than to believe in God, there's only theories. Do you know that the chances of creating the protein needed to begin life in total randomness is 10 to the 390th power. That takes A LOT of faith. My beliefs are no more crazier than yours. They are all unexplainable and take some form of faith. You'll never admit it, you'll just try and rationalize it, maybe saying you don't believe in those theories but like it or not that's the category your thrown into by denying God. You are forced to prove how you got here just like I am and you can't. You can only deduct from reasoning with no proof what so ever. Relying on fallible science trying its best to prove something that can never be proven, it can only theorize.

[Tired of the Nonsense]

[Replying to Tired of the Nonsense]

"According to the followers of Jesus, Jesus not only returned to life, but subsequently flew away, off up into the clouds. What part of these claims provide even the slightest hint of "truth?" Far from resembling, "the truth," have you ever really even considered just how absurd these claims actually are?"

Please read the Gospels before you claim to nonsense.

Jesus did not fly. The Bible says he was taken up to heaven.
Thousands of people who have had NDE/OBE never said they flew.

We constantly consider many absurd claims while not limiting our mind
to infinite possibilities by shutting it off in a box.

Acts 1:
[9] And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

According to Acts, Jesus physically flew up into the sky while they watched and disappeared into the clouds. Acts does not suggest that he was flapping his arms at the time, this is true.