Jehovah’s Witnesses only ones that will be saved?????

[Donray]

Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that only 144,000 people will go to heaven. God chooses these 144,000 individuals, the process began with the first century Christians and was completed in the year 1935. Of course from 1879 (the year the Watchtower started) till 1935 only faithful Jehovah’s Witnesses were chosen for this special role. All faithful Jehovah’s Witnesses not chosen to be among the 144,000 elite that go to heaven (those joining the Watchtower after 1935) will spend eternity on earth. All other people on the earth will be destroyed at war of Armageddon here on earth. This would also include any Jehovah's Witnesses who has been disfellowshipped or is otherwise unfaithful to the Watchtower and has not worked his or her way back into the good graces of the Watchtower by the time of Armageddon.

If one believes the JWs all other Christians and everyone that is not a JW will not go to heaven or live on the Earth after Armageddon.

Question for debate is JW the only true Christin religion or is it some type of cult that calls itself Christian?

[dakoski]

where in Scripture outside of Revelations does it teach that some Christians will go to heaven for eternity but others will not?

The same scriptures you agreed with. It seems to me your whole argument is that that humans will spend eternity on this our planet earth and the only point of contention is whether or not Jehovah will JOIN them.

Isaiah 11: 9
There shall be no harm or ruin on all my holy mountain; for THE EARTH shall be filled with knowledge of the LORD, as water covers the sea." -- New American Bible

Ecclesiastes 1: 4
"One generation goes and another comes; but THE EARTH is forever*."

Proverbs 2 v 21, 22 Douay-Rheims Bible
"For they that are upright shall dwell in THE EARTH, and the simple shall continue in it. But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it. -- King James Bible

Matthew 5: 5 American Standard Version
"Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit THE EARTH."

Matthew 6 v 10 Young's Literal Translationn "Thy reign come: Thy will come to pass, as in heaven also on THE EARTH."

Psalms 115:16 "The heavens belong to the LORD, but he has given THE EARTH to all humanity." New Living Translation (©2007)

PSALMS 72v8
May he also rule from sea to sea And from the River to the ends of THE EARTH. New American Standard Bible (©1995)

Psalms 37:29 "The righteous themselves will possess THE EARTH, and they will reside forever upon it."

Psalms 37:11:
"But the meek ones themselves will possess THE EARTH, and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace."

As I said before I agree with you that the gospel hope is a new heaven and a new earth. So yes I wholeheartedly agree with the Scriptures you quoted.

Sorry now I'm completely lost, where does it say in these Scriptures some believers (the 144,000 of Revelation) go to heaven for eternity and the other believers inherit the new earth for eternity. These verses all speak about those who will inherit the new earth.

None of them say there are three categories: those who are not believers, those who are believers that inherit the new earth for eternity, and a third who go to heaven for eternity.

[JehovahsWitness]

It says nothing about whether Jehovah will dwell in the new heavens and new earth.

No but it DOES say ...

FACT #1 Jehovah has given the earth to HUMANS. Jehovah is not a human.

FACT#2 The "heavens of the heavens" can contain God;

logic will now be employed: If no building, not even the "heavens of heavens" can contain God, how can one one tiny planet?

[JehovahsWitness]

Sorry now I'm completely lost, where does it say in these Scriptures some believers ... go to heaven for eternity .

So your point of contention is that you believe believers to to heaven but NOT for eternity? Is that what you are asking?

[dakoski]

It says nothing about whether Jehovah will dwell in the new heavens and new earth.

No but it DOES say ...

FACT #1 Jehovah has given the earth to HUMANS. Jehovah is not a human.

FACT#2 The "heavens of the heavens" can contain God;

logic will now be employed: If no building, not even the "heavens of heavens" can contain God, how can one one tiny planet?

I've explained the context of the passage to you but you are still insisting on taking them out of context to attempt to refute another passage of Scripture - that's not a strong argument.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 71 by dakoski]

These verses all speak about those who will inherit the new earth.

Okay so this is progress.


We agree there are going to be people (human beings) that will live on the "new earth". How long in your opinion will they be living there?

You suggest that God will come down and live on the earth. How long do you think HE will be living on earth?

[dakoski]

Sorry now I'm completely lost, where does it say in these Scriptures some believers ... go to heaven for eternity .

So your point of contention is that you believe believers to to heaven but NOT for eternity? Is that what you are asking?

To clarify again if I understand you correctly:

1) Do you think there are 144,000 believers who are or will go to heaven for all eternity?

2) Do you think all other Christians will not go to heaven but will instead dwell on the earth for all eternity?

If so where in Scripture does it say that there are two categories of Jehovah's followers: i.e. those who go to heaven for eternity (the 144,000) and those who dwell on the new earth for all eternity?

[dakoski]

[Replying to post 71 by dakoski]

These verses all speak about those who will inherit the new earth.

Okay so this is progress.


We agree there are going to be people (human beings) that will live on the "new earth". How long in your opinion will they be living there?

You suggest that God will come down and live on the earth. How long do you think HE will be living on earth?

Answer is eternity for both.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness]

You're not understanding what I'm saying- whether that's because you're not reading it properly or I'm not being clear I'm unsure. It maybe because my kids are running around and wanting me to play with them. I'll try and reply probably in the evening when its a little quieter here and try and clarify.

Okay no problem. It's probably me that got the wrong end of the stick. You can just address my post above when you have time.

Thanks,

JW

I really like your question to dakoski: If the 144,000 (whether literal or symbolic of a relative few in in relation to the much larger group of mankind) are to go to Heaven, why would God literally come down here to the earth?

[dakoski]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness]

You're not understanding what I'm saying- whether that's because you're not reading it properly or I'm not being clear I'm unsure. It maybe because my kids are running around and wanting me to play with them. I'll try and reply probably in the evening when its a little quieter here and try and clarify.

Okay no problem. It's probably me that got the wrong end of the stick. You can just address my post above when you have time.

Thanks,

JW

I really like your question to dakoski: If the 144,000 (whether literal or symbolic of a relative few in in relation to the much larger group of mankind) are to go to Heaven, why would God literally come down here to the earth?

The answer's quite simple because Rev 21 says so - the problem is that you're both trying to argue against Scripture.

[JehovahsWitness]

The answer's quite simple because Rev 21 says so - the problem is that you're both trying to argue against Scripture.

So your whole argument is based on one scripture which you yourself admit is in a chapter (Rev 21) which is "metaphorical"? Are you really suggesting that there is no way God could "dwell" with mankind metaphorically? Especially as you yourself admit the book of Revelation is highly symbolic...

Look! God's dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.

Could it be that "dwell" means protect and survey rather than move physically to live on a planet that cannot contain him?

King James Bible
and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

New International Version
and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence.

New Living Translation
And he who sits on the throne will give them shelter.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The one who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them.

Douay-Rheims Bible
and he, that sitteth on the throne, shall dwell over them.

English Revised Version
and he that sitteth on the throne shall spread his tabernacle over them.

Weymouth New Testament
He who is sitting upon the throne will shelter them in His tent.

Young's Literal Translation
He who is sitting upon the throne shall tabernacle over them;