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Replying to post 17 by MadeNew]
First of all, you hate God, thats pretty clear, and thats something in that list.
I dislike the character called God from the Bible. That character comes across as that list of nasty adjectives that Richard Dawkins famously said.
However, this does not mean that I believe that that character exists. Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars is a nasty character. I do not believe that Palpatine exists. Lord Voldemort is a hypocrite and a liar, in the Harry Potter books. I do not believe that Voldemort exists.
I don't buy that you are sinless DI, not for a second.
Then what of the list of 'sins' from Romans?
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
What is it that I or DI do that is 'unrighteous? Do you know anything about us? Are we fornicators? Are we wicked? Do we covet? Are we malicious? Are we envious? Are we murderers? Do we debate (well, I've got to give Paul that one, this is a DEBATE website

) Are we deceivers?
My good name, and that of DI, has been slandered. I'd like to sue the Christian religion for defamation of character.
You can say that all you want, and i have nothing more then to take your word for it, and that would be taking another humans word for being sinless.
Much like how you take Paul's word and the gospel authors that we are in fact sinners. They too were human beings. Why are you taking their word that you and I and everyone else are horrible people?
Sin has been shown to be true in everyone i know, even my father, a man i respect more then any other person i know, has clearly sinned.
Is your father that list from Romans? Wicked, murderous, covetous etc?
My friends, my teachers, my siblings, and yes myself. All of these people have sinned, but your sinless?
Do you remember earlier your claim that we have free will?
God grants everyone free will,
Great. Then I choose not to do or be any of those horrible things Paul says I am.
Now what happens?
In order for what Paul says to be true, I have no choice, no free will, BUT to do all those horrible things.
But I don't. I have not done them. I am not doing them and I choose not to do them.
In order for your earlier free will claim to stand, this then means that I am not sinning right now. And if I am not sinning, then what Paul says is not true.
Which is it MadeNew? Do I as an ex-Christian do/become all those horrible things Paul says in Romans, even against my free will choice not to be? Or am I not those things and thus, Paul is telling porkies?
Maybe in your eyes, which is the problem, I bet Hitler thought he was a good person..
I don't like the way this is worded. In my eyes, which is the problem. This implies that DI is a problem simply because he has a different view than yours.
And yes, Hitler would have thought he was a good person. Doesn't establish that he actually was. Just what he thought of himself.
Christianity exposes sin,
What does the list from Romans 'expose'? Rather, it slanders, it accuses.
and guides people to faith and repentance
Let's hypothesise that right this minute, I become a Christian again. Of that list from Romans...what do I have to repent for? This is an honest question.
then there are the people who don't even believe in sin. Not believing in sin is the very root of the definition of a psychopath.
Here's six links to six different dictionaries defining what a psychopath is. Notice that not one of them even mentions sin.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/psychopath
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... Psychopath
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/diction ... psychopath
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/psychopath
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defin ... psychopath
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/psychopath
I await your rebuttal, for you to provide evidence that psychopaths are anywhere defined as having anything to do with 'sin'.
In fact, I demand an apology. According to you, DI and I and all the other non-believers are psychopaths, simply because we don't believe in sin.
And God told us there is evil and sin in the world.
I don't believe this claim.
We have the ability to live faithfully throughout it
If I become a Christian again today, I would necessarily have to believe that during my 15 odd years as an ex-Christian, I was all of those horrible things Paul says in Romans, even though I would retain the memories of not being those things, and that I supposedly (according to you) had the free will choice not to do them anyway.
God told us to beware false prophets, like evil dictators.
In my eyes, no-one is a prophet. No-one has ever proven themselves, in my eyes, to actually be a real prophet.
And Jesus suffered and died on a cross, while living faithfully.
So did I suffer throughout my childhood.
If some evil person killed you, i have a hard time believing you would pray for their forgiveness,
Why would that person necessarily have to be evil? Was it an accident (say, a car crash)?
by what you are writing i would guess you would curse God in that situation.
But I don't curse God! I don't curse God for anything that happened in my life BECAUSE I DO NOT BELIEVE HE EXISTS.
Now, if it turns out he actually DOES exist (which I believe is not true), then yes, I would. He'd have been an enabler of my sister's rapes.
Well Christ laid down his life for you, a sinner, so that you could live faithfully.
Then I'm not a sinner. I exercise the free will you mentioned earlier to not be a sinner anyway, and even if I do some horrible things, well..."Christ laid down his life for me", so I cannot be considered a sinner anyway. My 'sins' are forgiven, isn't that the usual spiel from Christianity?
If you still consider me a sinner, then this means Christ's death on the cross had no effect whatsoever.
That, and you're judging me, which goes against the famous line of "Judge not, lest ye be judged".