Doctrine of God

B Bob · Post by **B Bob** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:58 pm

Is God only an invisible Spirit or is He also flesh (human)?

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:08 pm

B Bob wrote: Yes, so let's go to what it says in Gen 1:26-27. If God is spirit only as you claim, then there is no other conclusion we can come to other than God made man in the invisible image and likeness of His spirit. Obviously, this is not the case. It is also obvious that God never said He was only Spirit as you supposed.

What say you?

The bible says God made man in his image not in his form. An image resembles the original but not necessarily physically. God created man with intellectual and spiritual qualities that reflect those of his maker. The resemblance was not physical it was intellectual and emotional.

To illustrate: A woman might say to her daughter "You're just like your father" This obviously doesn't mean she thinks her daughter is male but that she (the daughter) resembles her father in character and outlook, that they display similar personlity traits.

Since God is a spirit and humans are an entirely different lifeform, we cannot resemble God in form but humans do reflect their maker in character and ability to appreciate spirituality, purpose, art, and the noble traits such display a higher degree of love, an appreciation for justice, a great intellectual capacity. We are "like" God we just don't look like him.

2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:09 pm

B Bob wrote: [Replying to post 6 by 2timothy316]

Yes, so let's go to what it says in Gen 1:26-27. If God is spirit only as you claim, then there is no other conclusion we can come to other than God made man in the invisible image and likeness of His spirit. Obviously, this is not the case. It is also obvious that God never said He was only Spirit as you supposed.

What say you?

When you see an image of yourself is it another you? You're getting image and copy confused.

A mirror shows an image ourselves. Water shows an image. A camera can show us an image. Yet are any of these images made of flesh like we are? It's a reflection but it's not the real you. God is a spirit and in spirit we are an image. We have emotions like love and a sense of fairness like God. We can be joyful, peaceful, kind, hurt in our heart, etc. This is where the similarities end. We are not spirit beings like God we are images. Just like an image in a mirror is made of light it is not flesh as in another human.

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:15 pm

B Bob wrote: [Replying to post 4 by 2timothy316]

That does not say God is a Spirit only. It only says to worship God in Spirit and in truth. Look at what Jesus said: see John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me".

According to Jesus, here is only one way to worship in spirit and in truth, through Him. Is Jesus spirit only or in truth is He also flesh?

The Bible says that "God is spirit," and yet you say it does not say that.

And John 14:6 has nothing to do with whether or not God has physical, fleshly characteristics.

The Bible also says that Jesus was raised back to life in the spirit: "Christ also died for sins once for all...so that he might bring us to God [not himself], having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also he went and made proclamation to the spirits now in 'prison.'" (I Peter 3:18,19, NASB)

"So also it is written, 'The first man, Adam, became a living soul.' The last Adam [Christ] became a life-giving spirit." (I Corinthians 15:45, NASB)

Therefore, Jesus is spirit also, and lives now in "unapproachable light" in the heavens (I Timothy 6:16), which no man can see.

B Bob · Post by **B Bob** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:20 pm

[Replying to post 11 by JehovahsWitness]

Paul wrote the roman scriptures you are quoting and he knew who Jehovah was because Jehovah told him "" I am Jesus whom you are persecuting". - see Acts 26:12-15
While so engaged as I was journeying to Damascus with the authority and commission of the chief priests, 13at midday, O King, I saw on the way a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining all around me and those who were journeying with me. 14â€œAnd when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew dialect, â€˜Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.â€™ 15â€œAnd I said, â€˜Who are You, Lord?â€™ And the Lord said, â€˜I am Jesus whom you are persecuting.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:25 pm

B Bob wrote: [Replying to post 11 by JehovahsWitness]

Paul wrote the roman scriptures you are quoting and he knew who Jehovah was because Jehovah told him "" I am Jesus whom you are persecuting". - see Acts 26:12-15
While so engaged as I was journeying to Damascus with the authority and commission of the chief priests, 13at midday, O King, I saw on the way a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining all around me and those who were journeying with me. 14â€œAnd when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew dialect, â€˜Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.â€™ 15â€œAnd I said, â€˜Who are You, Lord?â€™ And the Lord said, â€˜I am Jesus whom you are persecuting.

Hello

Did you get the posts mixed up? I cannot see how this is related to the question of Man being made in God's image and more particular to my post (#11). Can you clarify what this has to do with the question?

Thanks

JW

B Bob · Post by **B Bob** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:26 pm

[Replying to post 10 by onewithhim]

Firstly, I am not arguing that God is Spirit. I agree. However you keep quoting a scripture that declares God is Spirit, claiming God is spirit only because it doesn't say otherwise. It doesn't prove God is not also flesh. You cannot reasonably argue that God is not flesh because this scripture doesn't state this.

Man is not only flesh, but spirit also. Gen 1: 26-27 declares we are not only made in His image but His likeness. You can disregard this scripture at your own peril, but ignoring or reasoning away the scriptures only hides the truth.

Straw man arguments are useless to consider: such as God did not make man exactly like him. Ihe scripture does not say He did, so to make and argument against what you say id fallaciuis.

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:26 pm

B Bob wrote: [Replying to post 11 by JehovahsWitness]

Paul wrote the roman scriptures you are quoting and he knew who Jehovah was because Jehovah told him "" I am Jesus whom you are persecuting". - see Acts 26:12-15
While so engaged as I was journeying to Damascus with the authority and commission of the chief priests, 13at midday, O King, I saw on the way a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining all around me and those who were journeying with me. 14â€œAnd when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew dialect, â€˜Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.â€™ 15â€œAnd I said, â€˜Who are You, Lord?â€™ And the Lord said, â€˜I am Jesus whom you are persecuting.

How does that show that Jehovah spoke to Saul? It doesn't.

And would you reply to my posts # 13 & # 17?

B Bob · Post by **B Bob** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:27 pm

[Replying to post 15 by JehovahsWitness]

this is reply to post 14

B Bob · Post by **B Bob** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:28 pm

[Replying to post 17 by onewithhim]

Sorry, I am replying to 1 Cor (either way, Paul wrote 1 Corinthians too)

B Bob · Post by **B Bob** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:33 pm

[Replying to post 15 by JehovahsWitness]

Your last quote of this post is Rom 14:8, therefore I respond that Paul new the name of Jehovah - see Acts 26:15.

Paul refers to the same Lord in Acts 26 as he refers to in Rom 8. Therefore, you cannot have it both ways. Idf you believe Paul in Rom 8, you must believe Paul in Acts 26 when he declares the name of the Lord (Jehovah) is Jesus Christ. Right?