What Are Your Christian Non-Negotiables?

[ElCodeMonkey]

To be "saved", what are the absolute non-negotiables? What must you absolutely do, believe, trust, say, etc? Jesus died for sins, Jesus is God, Belief in Trinity, Baptism, etc, etc. What cannot be ignored for salvation?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by ElCodeMonkey]

I don't know what you mean by "non-negotiables" or by "salvation".



Ultimately, I believe anyone that will be given the gift of everlasting life, must recognize Jehovah as the true God and the role and position of His son Jesus.

The bible shows that God will destroy the wicked and that those he does not judge as incorrigibly wicked will survive. Some of those will not yet have come to know Jehovah but will be given an opportunity to learn about him.

JEHOVAHS WITNESS

[2timothy316]

None of the above, just love of God, and love of neighbor is what saves.

And if one has trouble believing, then a person unknowingly loves God BY loving their neighbor.

That is most certainly my position. If only more Christians believed this way .

Though no Biblical support, during the Middle Ages burning someone alive was said to clean a heretic. It was said to be kinder than an eternity of Hell...an act of love?

We still need God to direct us on how to love our neighbor don't we?

There's actually quite a lot of Biblical support. I came to this conclusion as a Christian from reading the Bible. My book explains all! .

No. There is no real Biblical support. Whatever support you think you have is more than likely someone's really bad interpretation. There is no commandment to burn people alive to clean their soul. Seeing how their is no support for an eternal soul in the first place in the Bible. (Ecc 9:5) So if it's reason for doing it is not supported how can there be support? Wrong interpretation of the Bible.

[Elijah John]

None of the above, just love of God, and love of neighbor is what saves.

And if one has trouble believing, then a person unknowingly loves God BY loving their neighbor.

That is most certainly my position. If only more Christians believed this way .

Though no Biblical support, during the Middle Ages burning someone alive was said to clean a heretic. It was said to be kinder than an eternity of Hell...an act of love?

We still need God to direct us on how to love our neighbor don't we?

There's actually quite a lot of Biblical support. I came to this conclusion as a Christian from reading the Bible. My book explains all! .

No. There is no real Biblical support. Whatever support you think you have is more than likely someone's really bad interpretation. There is no commandment to burn people alive to clean their soul. Seeing how their is no support for an eternal soul in the first place in the Bible. (Ecc 9:5) So if it's reason for doing it is not supported how can there be support? Wrong interpretation of the Bible.

On the contrary, Jesus himself summarized the essence of the Law the Prophets as being embodied in the two great Laws of Love...love of God, and love of neighbor.

Even Paul says that love "fulfills the law" or some such. An even John says that "whoever loves is born of God", or words to that effect.

[ElCodeMonkey]

No. There is no real Biblical support. Whatever support you think you have is more than likely someone's really bad interpretation. There is no commandment to burn people alive to clean their soul. Seeing how their is no support for an eternal soul in the first place in the Bible. (Ecc 9:5) So if it's reason for doing it is not supported how can there be support? Wrong interpretation of the Bible.

I didn't say anything about there being support for burning people or eternal souls. I said there's support of Elijah John's and my position that the one important thing is to love others.

[ElCodeMonkey]

[Replying to post 1 by ElCodeMonkey]

I don't know what you mean by "non-negotiables" or by "salvation".



Ultimately, I believe anyone that will be given the gift of everlasting life, must recognize Jehovah as the true God and the role and position of His son Jesus.

The bible shows that God will destroy the wicked and that those he does not judge as incorrigibly wicked will survive. Some of those will not yet have come to know Jehovah but will be given an opportunity to learn about him.

JEHOVAHS WITNESS

It sounded like you understood just fine given your answer. So you, too, believe that one could believe in the Bible as a fable and still be given everlasting life? Or is the Bible truly one of the things one "must" believe for everlasting life?

[2timothy316]

No. There is no real Biblical support. Whatever support you think you have is more than likely someone's really bad interpretation. There is no commandment to burn people alive to clean their soul. Seeing how their is no support for an eternal soul in the first place in the Bible. (Ecc 9:5) So if it's reason for doing it is not supported how can there be support? Wrong interpretation of the Bible.

I didn't say anything about there being support for burning people or eternal souls. I said there's support of Elijah John's and my position that the one important thing is to love others.

Oh sorry. I didn't read the post correctly. I thought we were talking about Bible support for burning people. My bad. Yes, indeed there is a lot of Bible support for how to treat our fellow man and women.

[Talishi]

Even Paul says that love "fulfills the law" or some such. An even John says that "whoever loves is
born of God", or words to that effect.

Of course if you fail to send a tithe to Pat Robertson he will tell you that you failed to love God in the sufficient amount.

[JehovahsWitness]

you ... believe that one could believe in the Bible as a fable and still be given everlasting life?

No I don't. I do believe there is a possibility that a person with such a belief will be allowed to survive Armageddon, on the condition that God judges that they will humbly recognize their ignorance when properly educated.

Or is the Bible truly one of the things one "must" believe for everlasting life?

Yes, see above.


JW

[ElCodeMonkey]

you ... believe that one could believe in the Bible as a fable and still be given everlasting life?

No I don't. I do believe there is a possibility that a person with such a belief will be allowed to survive Armageddon, on the condition that God judges that they will humbly recognize their ignorance when properly educated.

Or is the Bible truly one of the things one "must" believe for everlasting life?

Yes, see above.


JW

Okay, so one must absolutely believe the Bible is the Word of God? What else is absolutely required in your opinion?

[JehovahsWitness]

Okay, so one must absolutely believe the Bible is the Word of God? What else is absolutely required in your opinion?

That depends on required for what. People that don't believe in the bible because they are ignorant may not all be killed at Armageddon. The same for those that haven't been given the opportunity to know that Jehovah is the true God or the role of Jesus.

If Jehovah judges that they will repent of their ignorance, then they may be allowed to survive the coming destruction. If they are judged as incorrigibly wicked they will be killed. There is even the possibility that some atheists will not be destroyed because God judges they will be humble enough to repent and conform to his standards.

In the end Jehovah's Witnesses believe it's God that judges.

JW