What Are Your Christian Non-Negotiables?

[ElCodeMonkey]

To be "saved", what are the absolute non-negotiables? What must you absolutely do, believe, trust, say, etc? Jesus died for sins, Jesus is God, Belief in Trinity, Baptism, etc, etc. What cannot be ignored for salvation?

[ttruscott]

Jesus said very clearly that there is something more than belief is necessary for salvation: "Not everyone who says to me. 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven will enter." (Matthew 7:21, NASB)

We must do the Father's will.

Waaay to legalistic for the GOD who is love. You know HIS law - do you know HIS love?

No sinner can do HIS will enough to be saved. Both the faith and the doing of faith are HIS loving gift until HE has trained us in righteousness by painful suffering Heb 12:5-11.

[ElCodeMonkey]

Jesus said very clearly that there is something more than belief is necessary for salvation: "Not everyone who says to me. 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven will enter." (Matthew 7:21, NASB)

We must do the Father's will.

Waaay to legalistic for the GOD who is love. You know HIS law - do you know HIS love?

No sinner can do HIS will enough to be saved. Both the faith and the doing of faith are HIS loving gift until HE has trained us in righteousness by painful suffering Heb 12:5-11.

So... you disagree with the Bible that you must do God's will?

[ElCodeMonkey]

[Replying to post 21 by onewithhim]

So nothing about the Bible's veracity is a requirement to you? I like your #3 asduming conformance is in love and being more like a synoptic Jesus. Not sure why blood sacrifice makes your list though .

To most people here the Bible's veracity is a given. The synoptic Jesus said himself that he "gave his soul as a ransom in exchange for many." (Matthew 20:28)

The veracity is generally a given here (though I don't think it should be), but the requirement to believe it is God's word is not a given. I want to hear precisely 100% of all presumed requirements. Can someone still go to heaven/receive salvation/whatever you want to call it, if they believe Jesus was human? If they believe Jesus did not exist? If they believe the Bible is not God's word? If they were not baptized? Don't believe in sacrifice? Etc, Etc.

[onewithhim]

Jesus said very clearly that there is something more than belief is necessary for salvation: "Not everyone who says to me. 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven will enter." (Matthew 7:21, NASB)

We must do the Father's will.

Waaay to legalistic for the GOD who is love. You know HIS law - do you know HIS love?

No sinner can do HIS will enough to be saved. Both the faith and the doing of faith are HIS loving gift until HE has trained us in righteousness by painful suffering Heb 12:5-11.

It always amuses me how people object to any mention of DOING anything in regards to our ultimate salvation. "Legalistic"??? You are a cafeteria-Bible student, I take it. Pick and choose what you want.

I was just reading this again last night:

Jesus said through John: "I am he who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds." (Revelation 2:23, NASB)

"And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds." (Rev.20:12)

"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds." (Rev.20:13)

"Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 5:16)

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 21 by onewithhim]

So nothing about the Bible's veracity is a requirement to you? I like your #3 asduming conformance is in love and being more like a synoptic Jesus. Not sure why blood sacrifice makes your list though .

To most people here the Bible's veracity is a given. The synoptic Jesus said himself that he "gave his soul as a ransom in exchange for many." (Matthew 20:28)

The veracity is generally a given here (though I don't think it should be), but the requirement to believe it is God's word is not a given. I want to hear precisely 100% of all presumed requirements. Can someone still go to heaven/receive salvation/whatever you want to call it, if they believe Jesus was human? If they believe Jesus did not exist? If they believe the Bible is not God's word? If they were not baptized? Don't believe in sacrifice? Etc, Etc.

I think those questions have been answered here in these 30+ posts. Maybe you would benefit from reading over them again from the beginning.

[ElCodeMonkey]

I think those questions have been answered here in these 30+ posts. Maybe you would benefit from reading over them again from the beginning.

Cute. Except for the fact that people are assuming "givens" rather than being truly comprehensive in their list.

[OnceConvinced]

Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law? He said to him: You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind."Matthew 22:36, 37.

How does one love someone with their whole heart? How can one be sure they are loving with their whole heart?

[OnceConvinced]

I have been compiling a list of Christian not-negotiables (ie, things one must do to be saved). Here is the list (I have added others from this thread to it):

Must follow the teachings of Christ (Elijah John)
Must believe in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ for mankind. (Vanguard)
Must preach the same things Jesus preaches. (Dropship)
Must not commit the same sins over and over (Faithful One)
Must have no doubts (Faithful One)
Must be chosen or called by God. (Tam)
Must answer God's invitation. (Tam)
Must be baptised by fire. (Tam)
Must be anointed with the holy spirit. (Tam)
Must be someone that everybody likes (Dropship)
Must not dance to the world's tune (Dropship)
Must love God with your whole heart (2timothy316)
Must have a spirit of constant repentance (JLB32168)
Must recognise Jehovah as the true god (JehovahsWitness) - edited
Must believe that Jesus is the son of God (Onewithim)
Must do the fathers will (Onewithhim)
There is nothing we can do. Its all up to God (ttruscott)

Reference:
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... c&start=70

I was really expecting there would be some agreement by at least even a couple of Christians by now, but so far nobody believes the same things. Every Christian has a different spin on what it takes to be truly saved.

[ElCodeMonkey]

[Replying to post 38 by OnceConvinced]

Quite the list! I really expected people to agree on:

1. That the Bible is God's holy written word.
2. That Jesus died for your sins
3. That you accept Jesus as your lord and savior
4. That God exists in 3 persons

And some to add these optionals:
5. You must turn from sin which should show in how you live your life
6. You must do the will of God
7. Must be baptized
8. Must receive the holy spirit (usually evidence by tongues)

And THEN add some random other junk.

I'd be interested in seeing how many of the non-negotiables can be found in scripture specifically stating "THIS MUST BE DONE/BELIEVED". Sure you can find "all scripture is God-breathed" for example (which obviously could not be referring to itself to begin with), but it doesn't say, "and thou shalt believe this or suffer the consequences."

[tam]

Peace to you!

My response to the OP question is in the second half of post 28.


The things that you listed OC, at least those things from me, were with regard to a different question.




Peace to you both,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy