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Are God and Satan allies?

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We have the story of Job:

"One day when the sons of God came before Jehovah, Satan came with them. Jehovah said to Satan, "From where do you come?" Satan answered, "From going back and forth on the earth, and walking up and down on it." And Jehovah said to Satan, "Have you seen my servant Job? For there is no man like him on the ea rth, blameless and upright, who reveres God and avoids evil." Satan answered, "But is it for nothing that Job reveres God? Have you not yourself made a hedge all about him, about his household, and about all that he has? You have blessed whatever he does, and his possessions have greatly increased. But just put out your hand now and take away all he has; he certainly will curse you to your face." Then Jehovah said to Satan, "See, everything that he has is in your power; only do not lay hands on Job himself." So Satan left the presence of Jehovah."

Clearly Satan and God are allies in this story.

Then we have Jesus who said in John 8:44

"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

Clearly Jesus is not being portrayed as being an ally of Satan. If they were, God would be giving Satan the power to deceive because that is what He would have wanted. This is not in accordance with the gospels. The Lord's Prayer goes, "Lead us not into temptation and deliver us from evil."

This means that God would never use Satan to tempt us and will not purposely put evil in our way because Jesus is asking Him to deliver us from evil.

How do we reconcile this? It's clear that it's because Jews do not believe the devil is evil. To Jews, he is merely a "prosecuting attorney", there only to make people's lives miserable to lead us to God.
We also know that Satan is an omniscient being who is omnipresent. Yet Jews reject this outright. They see that as a negation of monotheism.

There is a incongruity between the Satan in the New Testament and Satan in the OT. Is it because the God in the OT is not the Father of Jesus?

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Re: Are God and Satan allies?

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Claire Evans wrote:
And you assume everything he was taught is correct? And since you have read the Ugaritic texts, why do you disregard the part of El and his seventy sons?
To take the word of someone with a doctorate in Semetic languages verses a random poster on the internet ... hmm.

I don't disregard the reference to El and his seventy sons/grandsons/great-grandson. I see the partial truth behind the pagan reference. That paganism isn't to be taken as gospel truth but as background knowledge to help interpret scripture. It is obvious that the reference to EL an the 70 sons is a reference to Noah and the 70 nations descent from him. It even stated in your reference that the 'waters flowed from them'. Waters are PEOPLE. El and Asherah are the source of the waters, ie their the parents of all mankind.

The correlation between Waters and People is easy. For example the word king is MLK, 'waters, authority, open hand' or the 'open hand of authority over the waters' is a king. Waters as being people is all over scripture. Even in Revelation, the great whore sits upon many waters and the angel explains to John that the waters are 'many peoples, tribes, nations and tongues'. Waters are people over and over in the Hebrew references as well as Canaanite.

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Claire Evans wrote:
Melchizedek was the King of Salem. The word Salem comes from the astral deity Salim
The Salem is from the Hebrew Shalom, peace. There were no vowels in the ancient semetic. He was the 'king of righteousness' of the city of peace that was later called Jerusalem. It was the Jebusites that had a city on the nearby hill and the cities grew into one city. Salem became Jerusalem.

Sin/shin are the same letter in Hebrew so 's or sh'. Shin lamed mem is the Hebrew word for peace, not a pagan god.

Ge 14:18 And Melchizedek <04442> king <04428> of Salem <08004> brought forth <03318> (8689) bread <03899> and wine <03196>: and he was the priest <03548> of the most high <05945> God <0410>.

08004 Shalem shaw-lame
the same as 08003, Greek 4532 ; ; n pr loc

AV-Salem 2, Shalem 1; 3
Salem= "peace"

1) the place of which Melchizedek was king
1a) most Jewish commentators affirm that it is the same as Jerusalem

The paleo-hebrew word picture is for 'consume, authority, waters' or to consume the authority of man is to bring peace.

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Claire Evans wrote: What? Don't you know that the Israelites worshiped baals in Canaan when they reached the "Promised Land"?
Oh, there were plenty of times the Israelites fell into worship of the Baalim (the plural of Baal). For example, Balak sent in the Moabites women to get them to worhip Asthoreth sexually on their way into the land and Moses KILLED those that did so.

Num 25:1 And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab.
2 And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods.
3 And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel.
4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.
5 And Moses said unto the judges of Israel, Slay ye every one his men that were joined unto Baalpeor.

Baalpeor is 'lord of the cleft/opening'. It is a reference to the 'lord of the vagina'. The Moabitess' brought in Baalim fertility worship and the people that participated were hung 'against the sun'.

Oh, there were many times the people fell into the Canaanite Baalim worship. In Eze's vision, the greatest abomination was not the idols in the temple or the women weeping for Tammuz but those in the courtyard bowing down to the rising sun, sun god worship, Molech worship.

They clearly had some polytheists on the way in but over and over, those that partook of that polytheism were killed off. Those that left Egypt were not only Israelites but a 'mixed multitude'. Even many of their names are references to the pagan gods, like the followers of Korah.

Every time they fell into Baalim worship, a prophet was sent to condemn it. For example, the Baalim worship brought in by queen Jezabel was confronted by Elijah. Yes there was pretty much constant conflict over which god was really God.

They didn't get their religion from the Canaanites but the Canaanite religions did bring in corruption over and over.

Here is an example of the Baalim worship during the time of Isaiah.

Isa 57:3 But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the whore.
4 Against whom do ye sport yourselves? against whom make ye a wide mouth, and draw out the tongue? are ye not children of transgression, a seed of falsehood,
5 Enflaming yourselves with idols under every green tree, slaying the children in the valleys under the clifts of the rocks?
6 Among the smooth stones of the stream is thy portion; they, they are thy lot: even to them hast thou poured a drink offering, thou hast offered a meat offering. Should I receive comfort in these?
7 Upon a lofty and high mountain hast thou set thy bed: even thither wentest thou up to offer sacrifice.
8 Behind the doors also and the posts hast thou set up thy remembrance: for thou hast discovered thyself to another than me, and art gone up; thou hast enlarged thy bed, and made thee a covenant with them; thou lovedst their bed where thou sawest it.
9 And thou wentest to the king with ointment, and didst increase thy perfumes, and didst send thy messengers far off, and didst debase thyself even unto hell.

Or in Jeremiah.

Jer 2:20 For of old time I have broken thy yoke, and burst thy bands; and thou saidst, I will not transgress; when upon every high hill and under every green tree thou wanderest, playing the harlot.
21 Yet I had planted thee a noble vine, wholly a right seed: how then art thou turned into the degenerate plant of a strange vine unto me?
22 For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Lord GOD.
23 How canst thou say, I am not polluted, I have not gone after Baalim? see thy way in the valley, know what thou hast done: thou art a swift dromedary traversing her ways;
24 A wild ass used to the wilderness, that snuffeth up the wind at her pleasure; in her occasion who can turn her away? all they that seek her will not weary themselves; in her month they shall find her.
25 Withhold thy foot from being unshod, and thy throat from thirst: but thou saidst, There is no hope: no; for I have loved strangers, and after them will I go.
26 As the thief is ashamed when he is found, so is the house of Israel ashamed; they, their kings, their princes, and their priests, and their prophets,
27 Saying to a stock, Thou art my father; and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth: for they have turned their back unto me, and not their face: but in the time of their trouble they will say, Arise, and save us.

Many times they fell into the Baalim worship of the stock/tree/asherah pole and the rock/stone as the divine father and mother. Even on the way out of Egypt they were warned about following the pagan rock/stone.

Det 32:3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
6 Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?
7 Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.
8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel (El).
9 For the LORDS portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
10 He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.
11 As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:
12 So the LORD alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with him.
13 He made him ride on the high places of the earth, that he might eat the increase of the fields; and he made him to suck honey out of the rock, and oil out of the flinty rock;
14 Butter of kine, and milk of sheep, with fat of lambs, and rams of the breed of Bashan, and goats, with the fat of kidneys of wheat; and thou didst drink the pure blood of the grape.
15 But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.
17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.
18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.
19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.
20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
23 I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.
24 They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.
25 The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.
26 I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:
27 Were it not that I feared the wrath of the enemy, lest their adversaries should behave themselves strangely, and lest they should say, Our hand is high, and the LORD hath not done all this.
28 For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them.
29 O that they were wise, that they understood this, that they would consider their latter end!
30 How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up?
31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
33 Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.
34 Is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures?
35 To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.
36 For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.
37 And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,

Even coming out of Egypt they had problems of trusting in the pagan ROCK. Do you even know the symbols of the different Canaanite pagan gods? Do you know what an Asherah Pole even was?

Noah was monotheistic. Abram lived his early life with Noah and was monotheistic. Yes, polytheism was picked up in Egypt but rooted out during the 40 years in the wilderness. Yes, they picked up some of the polytheism from their neighbors over and over again and were punished for it over and over.

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Re: Are God and Satan allies?

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Claire Evans wrote: The prophet, Hosea, was a strict Yahwist and to combat the worship of baals, he insisted on crediting Yahweh with the functions of agriculture (Hosea 2:8-9) which was the baals domain yet lambasted against the worship of them and rightfully so as the Hebrews adopted the Canaanites rituals sexual acts in the shrine of the god to encourage fertility. So sodomy and prostitution bled into Yahweh worship."
LOL, all the prophets were Yahwist as you call them. That was what it meant to be a prophet. All the prophets condemned the Baalim worship. Elijah slaughtered the prophets of Baal.

Most of the prophets even had Yah in their name like Eliyahu, ie Elijah which means 'mighty in Yah is he'.

The Baalim worship was of the gods of attributes like god of this or lord of that whereas Yah was the god of creation and all things. For example, Hadad, the thunderer, was the god of lightning and thunder but Yah is also attributed with sending the thunder. Does that make them the same deity? No, Hadad was the Syrian name of Zeus.

Even the law of Moses forbad planting an Asherah at the alter of Yahweh.

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Claire Evans wrote:
And did you know the Bible was revised to attempt to distance the Israelites from pagan worship? Baal worship was normal back then.


"There were instances where Yahweh and Baal were interchangeable in the Bible. Previously, Baal occurred as an element in a number of compound proper names such as Jerubbaal, Ishbaal and Meribaal.

The Bible suggests that David saw Baal as one and the same:

2 Samuel 5:20


So David went to Baal Perazim, and there he defeated them. He said, "As waters break out, the LORD has broken out against my enemies before me." So that place was called Baal Perazim.

David did not name Baal Perazim after Yahweh. Therefore we can assume David believed they were one and the same. More evidence can be found in 1 Chronicles 12:4-6:

4and Ishmaiah the Gibeonite, a mighty man among the thirty, and over the thirty. Then Jeremiah, Jahaziel, Johanan, Jozabad the Gederathite, 5Eluzai, Jerimoth, Bealiah, Shemariah, Shephatiah the Haruphite, 6Elkanah, Isshiah, Azarel, Joezer, Jashobeam, the Korahites,

As you can see, Bealiah is one of Davids warriors. Bealiah, whereby the first part means Baal. In fact, Baali, from the Strongs Hebrew Lexicon, means:

1180 Baaliy bah-al-ee' from 1167 with pron. suff.; my master; Baali, a symbolical name for Jehovah:--Baali.

1180 is linked to 1167 which reads:

1167 baal bah'-al from 1166; a master; hence, a husband, or (figuratively) owner (often used with another noun in modifications of this latter sense):--+ archer, + babbler, + bird, captain, chief man, + confederate, + have to do, + dreamer, those to whom it is due, + furious, those that are given to it, great, + hairy, he that hath it, have, + horseman, husband, lord, man, + married, master, person, + sworn, they of.
1168 Baal bah'-al the same as 1167; Baal, a Phoenician deity:--Baal, (plural) Baalim.
Your ignorance is astounding. Baal IS NOT A NAME but the word meaning 'lord/master' just as 'Adon' is. Adonia isn't a NAME of god but just means 'My Lord' just as 'Baali' means 'my lord'. It is specific to which 'LORD' the speaker worships, ie the context of the passage. The Jews have a tradition to replace the name YHVH with Adonia because YHVH is 'My Lord' to them.

Yes 'Baali' CAN BE a reference to Yah or it can be a reference to any of the Baalim that the speaker follows.

Baalim is PLURAL. There were lots of different individuals with the title BAAL or BAALAH. There was an entire pantheon of different BAAL in the Canaanite pantheon. It is context dependent of which LORD they are referring towards. The BAAL of David was Yah. The Adonia of David was Yah. David's LORD was Yahweh.

Just like modern Christianity calls Yeshua 'Lord'. It all comes down to who is "LORD" to the specific speaker.

You seem to have major confusion over proper names verses titles. For example the Hebrew word Baalmeon 'lord of the house/habitation' is the word for 'innkeeper' in Hebrew! It doesn't even necessarily mean a reference to a god, pagan or otherwise. It is just a title of authority.

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Claire Evans wrote: " Israelites were monolatrists just prior to Babylonian exile. They did not deny the existence of all the many gods worshipped by others, but they as a people choose to worship one and only one God.
I guess that makes me a monolatrist then. I don't deny the existence of other 'gods' I just don't classify them as Gods. They existed then and still exist today as spirits, ie principalities of hell in opposition to Yah.

I personally knew a girl that was the prime candidate to be the next worldwide high priestess of Ashtoreth. The spirit of Ashtoreth had been appearing to her for years. I helped put her and her entire coven in prison. I was the Elijah to her Jezebel. She was my nemesis for many years. She repented of her actions in prison and returned to Catholicism. Many of her followers died in prison.

She started out Catholic praying to the 'queen of Heaven' and Jezebel was her favorite biblical character. Ashtoreth appeared to her at the age of 14 when she was praying to the 'queen of heaven'. That girl rejected her Catholic upbringing and became a powerful witch and high priestess of Ashtoreth. She was my fiance' roommate in the military. I have never met a more evil individual then her. At her trail, the judge wanted to sentence her to be burned at the stake on the parade grounds and light the fire himself and he had previously been anti-death penalty until her trial.

It was because of her that I learned Hebrew to study the ancient paganism because of what I learned about it from her. I wanted to confirm in scripture the things I learned in that conflict about Baalim worship.

To suggest that worship of Yah is derived from Baalim worship is utter non-sense. Baalim worship was in direct opposition to worship of Yah and vice versa. You are actually following the ways of Baalim worship in your attacks on Christianity. The OT Baal is what is considered the anti-christ spirit in the NT. Your attacks on the monotheism of Judaism and Christianity is just a continuation of the practices of Baalim worship. So do you also practice the sexual aspects of Baalim worship as well? The OT is all about the battle between worship of Yah and the evils of the Baalim worship.

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Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
So which goddess do you follow then? Obviously you are not a follower of Yah.

Asherah is about the equality of women that refuse to submit to any husband as an unfaithful wife.
Ashtoreth is about the domination of many men by women via seduction, gossip, whoredoms, blackmail, bribery and witchcraft while young Ashtoreth is the arrogant virgin that attacks men.

Both of them are primary goddesses of witchcraft while Asherah is the light and fluffy side like Wicca while Asthoreth worship is about using curses to punish those that refuse to bow to your will in her persona of Diana Luciferah, the twin sister of Lucifer.

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Claire Evans wrote: Then you are saying Noah's house was named after the Canaanite house of the god Berith. Therefore Noah's god is the god Bethel.
Berith means 'covenant'. It is a reference to the covenant between Yah and Noah, ie the covenant of the rainbow. So which is being referenced Noah or Yah?

So is El Berith or Baal Berith can be seen as either a reference to Noah or Yah depending on which side of the covenant is being referenced.

So 'God of the Covenant' would be a reference to Yahweh, the god of Noah.

Beth El is 'house of the mighty one', ie where Noah lived. Of course Noah is also tied to the covenant.

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Did she tell you that YHWH is from witchcraft?
NO


"In an attempt to use divine power, magicians used various biblical names and titles of God in their incantations. These included El, Elohim, Eloah, Adonai, Sabaoth, and Shaddai. But the one name which came closer to the inner reality of the God of the Old Testament was the Tetragrammaton, the YHWH. It was held in such profound awe that it was rarely pronounced for fear of profaning it and possibly for fear of the magic of enemies if they should discover its pronunciation. This belief led to a theological problem. If God could be coerced by the use of his name, then he was not omnipotent. Therefore, a magical explanation was advanced to solve the problem. The invocation of God's name does not oblige him to do the will of the one who invokes his name, and he cannot be coerced by the recital of his name. Rather, the 'name' itself is invested with the power to fulfill the desire of the man who pronounces it." (Cavendish, article 'Names'.)

The Tetragrammation is a four letter word to cover all the spelling of God in witchcraft:
All her witchcraft was done in the name of Ashtoreth. I was the one that rebounded all her (and coven's) spells/curses back in the name of Yeshua.

It isn't the 'name' that grants power. 'In the name' means 'in the character of' because names are 'descriptive titles'. Yeshua GAVE all Christians the authority over all the forces of the enemy. Any Christian can counter any witchcraft by ordering the spiritual forces involved while witchcraft is conducted via worship of principalities to gain influence over spirits in their dominion.

Lu 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy:

In my case I sent back all their witchcraft back 7x on the sender to reap what they sowed. She and most of her coven ended up in prison or dead. Most repented in prison, at least the ones that lived did. Some of the coven member will be in prison for life. They committed treason by sabotage of a military aircraft on top of date rape drug distribution and gang rape charges. The coven used date rape drugs on their initiates and distributed them to their male followers and distributed them on other bases transported via military aircraft.

Half the coven didn't deal in the date rape drugs or curses. Even the 'white' side of the coven was forced to testify against the others then dishonorable discharged on charges of conspiracy to commit treason and prostitution.

Le 26:21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.

So much for the Wiccan law of 3! Yah's law is a 7x return. It is extremely dangerous to attempt death curses sent against a Christian that understands spiritual authority.

I have been the target of financial curses, death curses and even multiple love and fertility spells as well as breakup curses. For example, I have four illegitimate sons from that time period, all named after me by their mothers, two 'Adam Clark's, one 'Anthony Adam' and one 'Adam Charles'. All four were pregnant at the same time. Three of them had love spells put on them by the coven. Two of those women obsessed over me for over 20 years before the love spells were broken. I was even asked to be a polygamist to take multiple wives so they could share me.

The five points of the pentagram are each representing a different group of spiritual forces. Four of them correlate with the four primary deities of the Canaanites while the 5th is a reference to the Holy Spirit and powers granted by Yah. A Christian is ONLY allowed to deal in the Holy Spirit. Baal is realm of air (2nd heaven), Ashtoreth the realm of waters/sea, Molech is fire and Asherah is earth. Baal, Ashtoreth and Molech make up the unholy trinity with Asherah a lesser fourth. It is about the earthly mirror of the trinity of Yahweh and the four beasts about His throne. Each of the four primary Canaanite spiritual forces is also attributed with a cardinal direction.

Then you also have the trinity of goddesses of witchcraft with Ashtoreth with two of the faces under her two personas, arrogant virgin and whore while Asherah is the crone.

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Re: Are God and Satan allies?

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Claire Evans wrote: Here's something about Yah that I don't think you know about:

"A letter found in a mound northwest of the modern town of Ta'annek written in the fifth century B.C. proves that 'Yah'was a deity of the Canaanites. Yah is associated with the Canaanitish Mother-goddess, Ashtart-Anat as seen by the Father-Mother titles of the deity of the Jews at Elephantine. There, the title of Anat-Yaw is seen as well as Ashim-Bethel and Afat-Bethel where the titles of Astarte are combined with the Sun-god, Bethel. At Gaza, Yah appears as a Sun-god on a coin and coins were frequently inscribed with the figure of Ashtart-Yaw, Anat-Yaw, and Anat-Bethel, which corresponds to the Phoenician Melk-Ashtart and Eshmun-Ashtart" - The Mythology Of All Races, Vol. 5, p. 44.

"Yah was identified with the Aramaic Thunder-god, Adad. A coin from the fourth century B.C. in southern Philisti (when the Jews were in subjection to the Persian kings) has the only known representation of the Hebrew Deity. The letters YHW were inscribed just above a bird which the god held on his arm. The most likely identification of the god Yah of Gaza is the Hebrew, Phoenician, and Aramaic Sun-god El or Elohim whom the Hebrews had long since identified with Yah." (ibid., pp. 42-43).

"The collection of ancient manuscripts found at the Jewish colony of Elephantine demonstrates the use of Canaanite religious terminology in conjunction with the name of Israel's God Yahu. Such compound names as Anath-Yahu, Anath-Bethel, Ishum-Bethel, and Herem-Bethel are found there. These names all represent the attempt to combine differing philosophies and religious beliefs that were prevalent in the centuries following the Israelite conquest of Canaan. For example, Anath was the ancient Canaanite goddess, the sister of Baal (Bruce, p. 53), and Baal was one of the ancient names for Nimrod." (Hislop, p. 232).

"It was from the divine name Yah that the Greeks took 'Ie' in the invocations of the gods, especially the god Apollo. The name 'Ie' was written from right to left and inscribed over the great door of the temple of Apollo at Delphi (Taylor, p. 183). Iao, a variant of the Tetragrammaton, was applied to the Graeco-Egyptian god Harpocrates or Horus. Horus was called Harpocrates by the Greeks. The ancient Greeks had an acclamation similar to Hallelujah (Praise you Yah). They used Hallulujee in the beginning and ending of their hymns in honor of Apollo." - Taylor, p. 183. Source: http://www.bibleresearch.org/law/sacredname.html

"Many Vedic chants of praise also contain Yah, e.g. Rama-yah, Isha-ya (Yah my Divine Husband), Jai-ya (Yah as joy); Shiva-ya (Yah is purity, holiness, truth); Krishna ya (Yah is the transcendental loving Witness); Vishnu yah (Yah is all pervasive Light); Kali ya (Yah is the creative manifesting force or energy)." etc. etc.
Source: http://www.corplink.com.au/~roman/Sacred.html


http://www.godstruenames.com/THE-YAH-DECEPTION.php


Yah is a symbolic name for baal:

Strong's Hebrew
1180. Bali -- "my Baal," a symbolic name for Yah
... "my Baal," a symbolic name for Yah. Transliteration: Bali Phonetic Spelling:
(bah-al-ee')
Oh, over time many of the identities of the 'gods' were confused. For example because Asherah was wife of El, and El was confused with Yahweh, then Asherah gets associated as the wife of Yahweh. Astarte isn't a wife but was a whore that had children with many individuals then became consort of her own son.

Even in the time of Elijah, the common people didn't know if Baal or Yah was the creator or which form of worship was correct so Elijah had a contest between the Baal of Jezebel and Yah.

Anath was not Ashtoreth/Astarte. They are half-sisters but Ashtoreth took over some of her representations and they tended to be merged. Originally the planet Venus is associated with the virtuous Anath, ie Athena but later with Aphrodite. Anath was a follower of Yah and refused to be a part of the pagan activities. She refused to carry on the Nephilim bloodline and vowed to remain a virgin. That is why Anath was associated with Yah. She was disposed and displaced in the pantheon with the younger life of Astarte/Ashtoreth.

Even Athena in the Greek pantheon is the goddess of wisdom and virtue but is later a goddess of war. After she was set up to be raped and had a son before she go on the war path in opposition to her half-sister and half-brother. She was on the opposite side in the battle of Troy for example. She opposed Artemis and Apollo.

Even Rah gets confused with Amen and gets merged as Amen-rah.

I don't deny that the paganism got mixed into Yahweh worship over and over during the history of Israel. Many of the kings fell into that error. Even Solomon at the end of his life was influenced by his pagan wives and lost his wisdom. The Testament of Solomon explains much. He even interrogates many demons including the Pheides, the 7 sisters that were of the court of Artemis. He gets talked into at least offering a sacrifice to Molech of locust, not a child. Molech was a god over insect plagues, Baalzebub to the Philistines.

The paleo-hebrew word picture of YHVH is 'arm/hand','behold','nail', 'behold' and is a foreshadowing of Yeshua on the cross. Yah the short form of the name is 'Arm','Behold' or basically behold the arm/power of God.

The entire purpose of the pagan worship was to confuse the people and trick them into worshiping the wrong deity.

You also referenced Hissop in the above quote. Hissop's Two Babylons is a very old reference from the 1850s and is full of error. Hissop merges many of the gods into a single individual. Nimrod was NOT the sun god. Now there is a lot of useful information in the Two Babylons but much of the material has been superseded by later finds.

I have no doubt that finds try to equate Apollo with Yah. I see Apollo as Lucifer, 'the shining one'/'light bringer' the son of Shachar, the Canaanite deity Zeus who brought forth the wicked from the skirts of Erets (earth). Of course he tries to portray himself as God. He took over the demonic realm with the casting down and imprisonment of his father.

Asherah is both Leto and Gaia in the different regions of the Greek myths. The myths don't come from common sources but different regional myths with the same individuals having different names in different areas. Even the swan form that Zeus took to impregnate Leto is the Hebrew Ziz or the scriptural reference to the Cockatrice, the father of the 'fiery flying serpent'. He is the Satan cast down as the 'god of lightning', Hadad/Adad Rimmon, the consort of Asherah.

Different regions or cities had their favored deity. For example, Astarte/Ashtoreth was the primary deity of Sidon.

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