Who created evil spirits!

[DanieltheDragon]

Who created evil spirits, the snake, the devil, and various other malevolent forces?

Why would such a being create such things?

[tam]

They weren't created evil, and I see nothing to suggest that they were created evil. They caused harm and 'became' evil by what they chose to do, beginning with the Adversary (the one called Satan, the devil, who was the serpent/seraph in the Garden of Eden).


Peace to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[jgh7]

[Replying to post 2 by tam]

Even if they weren't created evil, wouldn't God have known they would become evil? Doesn't God know the future? And yet He still chose to create them.

But who am I to judge. Humans can and have proven on many occasion to be just as evil as the demonic creatures we fear. To argue that those creatures should never have been given a chance at existence is to argue that humankind should have never been given a chance either.

[DanieltheDragon]

They weren't created evil, and I see nothing to suggest that they were created evil. They caused harm and 'became' evil by what they chose to do, beginning with the Adversary (the one called Satan, the devil, who was the serpent/seraph in the Garden of Eden).


Peace to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

How do you know they weren't created evil? God uses evil spirits in the bible to torment people.
1samuel 16:14
Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him

even if they were not created evil why would God create something with the potential of evil?

[tam]

As JG7 said, mankind would also not have been created if creatures that had the 'potential' of evil could not be created.

But, despite the evil that some would choose, there are also those who choose life, love, etc.

Why deny those you know as sons (and those who will become sons) for the sake of those who will choose a 'different' father (such as the Adversary)?

When Abraham was pleading with God over Sodom and Gomorrah, Abraham asked,

What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? Far be it from you to do such a thing--to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"

God responded:

"If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake."

And of course that got taken down to if ten righteous were found.


If God refused to create because of the wicked, then those He foreknew, and loved; and the innocent; would also not exist. Wiped out before they ever took their first 'breath'. God sees through to the 'end', so all those He has seen, who have not been born even yet, and who would choose to do right, who would show love, who would choose Him as their Father also, all those who would learn and repent, etc... they would have been wiped out alongside the wicked. How could He do THAT?

Instead, He gives all a chance to repent and to come to life.

"Love always hopes."



Peace to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 5 by tam]

So if there were 9 righteous God would have killed them anyways huh? Thank goodness Abraham could negotiate God down to 10!

that would be fine but apparently God knows the hairs on our heads he knows how we will react to situations he created ever directly or indirectly. God knew the serpent would tempt Adam and Eve so why create the serpent unless he wanted to kick Adam and Eve out of the garden. God is punishing beings for behaving in the way he created them. This is nonsensical.

[OnceConvinced]

It's amazing what justifications some theists will come to, to absolve God of his responsibility of creating evil beings.

All one has to do is consider the following scenario to see the evil of creating such a being knowing full well what an abomination it would later become.

Say you are able to see into the future (Like God can). Tonight you are going to have sex with your partner and are going to conceive a beautiful baby boy. That baby will be born and for 20 years of its life will be a lovely boy, but then he will start to become evil. He will start to become the most evil person ever. He will choose to rape and torture children. Perform all sorts of abominable acts on them.

Now tonight and tonight only, you will conceive this child. Any other night and it would be a completely different child you concieve. You could choose not to have sex tonight so as to avoid conceiving such an abomination. If it was simply a matter of not having sex tonight and waiting till the following night, so as to avoid conceiving such a monster would you do it?

Any caring loving person would of course refrain from having sex tonight to avoid conceiving such a monster. They would wait for the following night. Or if they could they would make some kind of genetic adjustment to ensure the child didn't turn out to be such a monster in the future.

The fact that God conceived this angel called Lucifer, knowing full well what a monster it would become and made absolutely no adjustment to his design... then that makes him clearly malevolent. All God had to do was refuse to create this angel. Yet he still created it.

[ttruscott]

Who created evil spirits, the snake, the devil, and various other malevolent forces? Why would such a being create such things?

All evil was because of the free will decision of a created person. That some evil choices changed the nature of the person so they became eternally evil in their nature is the only way any evil being came into existence.

GOD is light (goodness) in whom is no darkness (evil) at all. No darkness can come out of even a candle flame, let alone the GOD who is light.

[ttruscott]

Even if they weren't created evil, wouldn't God have known they would become evil? Doesn't God know the future? And yet He still chose to create them.

It is considered a blasphemy by many to suppose that the GOD who is Love, knowing who would end in hell before HE created them, created them anyway. It is NOT a Christian definition of HIS being all knowing to accept such things.

HE knows fully and perfectly all that HE created by HIS decree of creation, Acts 15:18, but HE did not create the results of our freewill decisions and choices so HE did not know them until we chose them. And no, we do not have any free will here on earth since we are sinners enslaved by the addictive power of evil and are living predetermined lives in accord with our personal free will decisions pre-earth.

[ttruscott]

They weren't created evil, and I see nothing to suggest that they were created evil. They caused harm and 'became' evil by what they chose to do, beginning with the Adversary (the one called Satan, the devil, who was the serpent/seraph in the Garden of Eden).


Peace to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

How do you know they weren't created evil? God uses evil spirits in the bible to torment people.

How GOD lets demonic people expose their evil for HIS purposes does not prove HE created them evil.

I base my understanding that HE did not create evil on HIS revealed attributes, verses I can make reference to, and theological implications of Christian theology:

- IF He created evil people then they are not guilty for their sin and cannot be judged. Satan et al are deemed to be guilty and are facing judgement so they must have not been created to be evil but must have chosen to be that way.

- IF GOD created evil then HE is not different from the people who do evil things and by HIS righteousness must self destruct.