Who created evil spirits!

[DanieltheDragon]

Who created evil spirits, the snake, the devil, and various other malevolent forces?

Why would such a being create such things?

[ttruscott]

To argue that those creatures should never have been given a chance at existence is to argue that humankind should have never been given a chance either.

Many folk do not accept that it was a good thing for GOD to allow free will and therefore the possibility of evil. Others (which logically would include GOD HIMself if HE did create us with a free will) felt that the possibility of love as the true marriage bond only available from a free will was worth the price of some, (maybe even all), misusing their free will to reject HIM and becoming eternally evil, never able to fulfill their created purpose of entering into the loving holy marriage with HIM that characterizes the heavenly state.

That all people created in HIS image were created with a free will and the ability to become by choice the most holy under GOD or the most evil within reality accounts for the great heights and lows of all moral existence.

[ttruscott]

God knew the serpent would tempt Adam and Eve so why create the serpent unless he wanted to kick Adam and Eve out of the garden.

Allowing the serpent to trick them into disobeying the command for no good reason when they obviously thought they knew him well enough to argue the finer points of life and death and obedience to GOD as if he was their mentor or something, brought to fruition two goals for YHWH:

1. it opened Adam and Eve's eyes to their nakedness, the first sin they saw when they ate / disobeyed, so they came to repentance and sought redemption and

2. it also opened their eyes to the depths of the evil of the serpent who they had trusted but learned that their love for him would never cause him to repent...you cannot love evil into being good. This is the same thing HE achieved with Satan and Job.

BUT allowing evil people to expose the depths of their evil natures to other people for HIS purpose IS NOT PROOF HE CREATED THEM TO DO THAT EVIL and that they did not choose to become evil and to do evil by their free will as I contend.

God is punishing beings for behaving in the way he created them. This is nonsensical.

It is nonsensical to believe this so that is why so few Christians (if any) accept this as proper doctrine...accepting it instead is a strawman argument to support of a false Christianity easily torn down.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 2 by tam]

Even if they weren't created evil, wouldn't God have known they would become evil? Doesn't God know the future? And yet He still chose to create them.

But who am I to judge. Humans can and have proven on many occasion to be just as evil as the demonic creatures we fear. To argue that those creatures should never have been given a chance at existence is to argue that humankind should have never been given a chance either.

Just because you CAN whistle, do you whistle all the time? God CAN know the future, but sometimes CHOOSES to not know. Just think how boring it would be to Jehovah to already know the turnout of every little thing from creation to endless time?

Good observation about giving a chance to angels and humans.

[ttruscott]

The fact that God conceived this angel called Lucifer, knowing full well what a monster it would become and made absolutely no adjustment to his design... then that makes him clearly malevolent. All God had to do was refuse to create this angel. Yet he still created it.

I agree that orthodox Christianity tends to believe and accept this as true even though it blasphemes GOD's love greatly. They reject the appellation of blasphemy by calling the conundrum a mystery but...shrug.

I reject that before HE created Lucifer HE knew the evil Lucifer would choose by HIS free will. Acts 15:18 says HE knows all HIS works of creation so if HE did not create the results of our free will decisions and choices, HE would not know them until we freely chose them.

[McCulloch]

Just because you CAN whistle, do you whistle all the time? God CAN know the future, but sometimes CHOOSES to not know. Just think how boring it would be to Jehovah to already know the turnout of every little thing from creation to endless time?.

Did you think about what your speculation says about the character of the god you believe in?
He chose not to know, even though he could have, that the consequences of what he created would be evil. Because it would be boring otherwise.

[2timothy316]

Who created evil spirits, the snake, the devil, and various other malevolent forces?

Why would such a being create such things?

A person, spiritual or physical, make themselves wicked by focusing on doing evil.

“Each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn, sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death.� (James 1:14, 15)

[agnosticatheist]

They weren't created evil, and I see nothing to suggest that they were created evil. They caused harm and 'became' evil by what they chose to do, beginning with the Adversary (the one called Satan, the devil, who was the serpent/seraph in the Garden of Eden).


Peace to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Eh, depends on which evil spiritual entity we are talking about.

In mainstream Christianity, evil spiritual entities get classified under the umbrella groups "Fallen angels" (Which includes the devil) or "Demons" (Which sometimes includes the Devil).

Actually, the picture is a lot more complicated than that, but most Christians are either ignorant of the fact that the picture is more complicated, or they are aware of the fact that the picture is a lot more complicated, but they are stubborn, belligerent, or just flat out don't care about what is actually true and choose to keep their own classification system....

There are several different types of evil spiritual entities.

1. Sons of God:These entities are spiritual entities who are gods. Some of them are members of God's Divine Council (Psalm 82). Some were, and may still be, members of God's Divine Council; they are currently imprisoned here on Earth according to the Book of Enoch, and possibly the Bible. I do not know if they were kicked out of the council when they committed the transgression of Genesis 6 (Taking human women as wives, having sex with them, and having children with them), or if they are still members of the council while imprisoned on the earth.

2. The Devil: The devil is the archenemy of God and of good. It is unclear if the Devil was a member of the Divine Council. The Devil is sometimes referred to as a fallen angel, but the term "angel" is strongly connected with the "Malakim" of the Old Testament. Malakim means "Messengers" in Hebrew. The Messengers were spiritual entities who worked for God. It's unclear if there are good Malakim and evil Malakim, or if all Malakim are good. Some of this depends on what type of entity the Greek New Testament was referring to when it said "angel(s)."

3. Evil Malakim: See above paragraph

4. Demons/Evil spirits: These are the evil spirits that Jesus was casting out of people in the New Testament. These entities are the spirits who were created by the Sons of God and Daughters of Men from Genesis 6 having sex. These spirits once inhabited a material, physical body. When they died, because they had been created from an unnatural (and perhaps forbidden) union, they could not pass over to the other side like human spirits can. Instead, they roam the earth, and look for human material bodies (and maybe animal bodies, too) that they can possess. It's not clear why they seek bodies to possess, but here are three potential reasons:

1. They are evil. They enjoy causing humans to suffer

2. To negatively influence people spiritually. Possessions can cause people to be afraid (if they don't lean on God when they are afraid, they are in error). They can also potentially cause people to be mesmerized and drawn to the dark side.

3. They seek a physical body to inhabit because they once inhabited a physical body and desire to return to having a physical body to inhabit, and they are basically floating around in a weird, nightmarish state of limbo or Twilight Zone-like existence.

They may have been evil from moment of their conception, so they may have never had a choice.

[OnceConvinced]

The fact that God conceived this angel called Lucifer, knowing full well what a monster it would become and made absolutely no adjustment to his design... then that makes him clearly malevolent. All God had to do was refuse to create this angel. Yet he still created it.

I agree that orthodox Christianity tends to believe and accept this as true even though it blasphemes GOD's love greatly. They reject the appellation of blasphemy by calling the conundrum a mystery but...shrug.

I reject that before HE created Lucifer HE knew the evil Lucifer would choose by HIS free will. Acts 15:18 says HE knows all HIS works of creation so if HE did not create the results of our free will decisions and choices, HE would not know them until we freely chose them.

Fair comments, but don't you think that a God would have a really good idea of what evil that being would ultimately do? He knows us better than we know ourselves right?

If I knew that my future child was most likely going to be a psychopath I would choose not to conceive it.

[Claire Evans]

Who created evil spirits, the snake, the devil, and various other malevolent forces?

Why would such a being create such things?

They weren't created. They just are. Good and evil both existed from the start.

[Claire Evans]

They weren't created evil, and I see nothing to suggest that they were created evil. They caused harm and 'became' evil by what they chose to do, beginning with the Adversary (the one called Satan, the devil, who was the serpent/seraph in the Garden of Eden).


Peace to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

If they weren't created evil, then why did Jesus say...

"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." ?

The devil could never have become evil because in order to be evil means that evil must already have existed. What made the devil have evil thoughts? How did he get tempted. We do evil because we are flawed and have the propensity to do evil. Therefore in order to do evil, Satan must have been created flawed with the propensity to do evil.

Why would God create the devil with the propensity to do evil knowing full well what the devil would do?