Should all people be blamed for Adam's sin?

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Should all people be blamed for Adam's sin?

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At the beginning of the Bible, we are told that Adam and Eve sinned. ("Original Sin")

And all future generations inherited their guilt.

Is that true?

And wasn't that rather unjust of God?

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Re: Should all people be blamed for Adam's sin?

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[Replying to post 88 by ttruscott]
I would imagine that if the elect are chosen not on their own merit but at Gods good pleasure then it follows that the reprobate are under the same concideration. Paul indicates that the Jews had earnestly tried to please God but only the elect amoung them had been able to accept the Gosple.
The Remnant of Israel

11 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me�[a]? 4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.� 5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

7 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8 as it is written:

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.
Paul is indicating more than just the belief in Jesus here. Indeed many more believed in Jesus than accepted his revealation that the Law was ended in Christ. Indeed even the Disciples could not have been in the elect concidering that his revealation was never revealed to them by Jesus in the flesh or by the Spirit.
Acts 21:23-24New International Version (NIV)

23 so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.

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Re: Should all people be blamed for Adam's sin?

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[Replying to post 89 by ttruscott]

How then will the righteousness of Christ be accredited to Christians?
Exodus 20:5-6New International Version (NIV)

5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

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Re: Should all people be blamed for Adam's sin?

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postroad wrote: [Replying to post 89 by ttruscott]

How then will the righteousness of Christ be accredited to Christians?
How? By decree I suppose...
Exodus 20:5-6New International Version (NIV)

5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
This cannot contradict Ezekiel so I give credence to the idea it refers to those being born sinners being punished for their own sin by living under the suffering caused by their parents sin.

Sinners cause suffering by their sin which punishes other sinners for the suffering they have caused.
PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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Re: Should all people be blamed for Adam's sin?

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[Replying to post 92 by ttruscott]
Who decides which text prevails? Why must I accept conclusions not evident from the text? Human law does not compel anyone to accept as truth the testimony of an unreliable witness?

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