Aboloshing the first amendment?

[DanieltheDragon]

Some people do not like the first amendment that protects freedom of religion and freedom of press.

What happens to Atheists, non-theists, Hindus,Muslims, and Jews in this vision of America?

[JP Cusick]

Some people do not like the first amendment that protects freedom of religion and freedom of press.

What happens to Atheists, non-theists, Hindus,Muslims, and Jews in this vision of America?

The freedom of religion / freedom of conscience is given by God, but making it as a right enforced by the government then that changes the "freedom" into into an anti religion by force of law.

The ten (10) commandments have at least 4 of the commands restricting speech, and several other commandments which indirectly deny the freedom of speech.

One big problem with the law of speech (1st Amendment) is that the US Supreme Court has turned that into a license for any kind of trash or debauchery and no way to stop it.

Freedom of the Press means anything goes - as like the fake News is not really the lowest nor the worse of the Press.

It is not that people everywhere do not have their own God given right and ability to do everything in the first amendment - so we would not loose any of the rights without it - it would just stop the government from pushing the garbage onto us by the force of law.

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 2 by JP Cusick]

If it is anti religion by force of law then how is there still religion?

Frankly the first is the only thing protecting me and my family from Christian extremists brainwashing my kids in schools or preventing me from getting a job or hailing me for my beliefs.

You might not do those those things but others can and will without equal protection of the law.

[JP Cusick]

If it is anti religion by force of law then how is there still religion?

That is because science and Atheism (or secularism) are the new kind of government sponsored religion, and in our dishonest world it can be denied as saying it is not really religion and so science and Atheism are given the force of law as the government type of religion.

It is a legal tactic to get around the 1st Amendment.

As such the 1st Amendment can restrain any legal religion while empowering that fake religion by claiming it is not a religion.

Frankly the first is the only thing protecting me and my family from Christian extremists brainwashing my kids in schools or preventing me from getting a job or hailing me for my beliefs.

You might not do those those things but others can and will without equal protection of the law.

There might have been some pressure from extremist Christians, but now the government has replaced Christianity with secular humanism based on science and Atheism.

So the old enemy is now replaced with a far more powerful adversary under the disguise and the force of law.

[Kenisaw]

Some people do not like the first amendment that protects freedom of religion and freedom of press.

What happens to Atheists, non-theists, Hindus,Muslims, and Jews in this vision of America?

Losing the First Amendment is bad for everyone. Your point is well made because you mention the non-Christian minorities, but there are certainly plenty of Christian sects that have small numbers that should also fear such a thing because the bigger sects will want to push them out.

The lack of a free press or being able to criticize the government without fear of reprisal is also a key component of freedom too. If some one out there is focusing on separation of church and state and forgetting about all the other parts of the 1st Amendment, they are slitting their own throat.

More importantly, let the government take one right, and there's no reason they can't take the rest of them too. That's not a precedence we should want to set.

[Kenisaw]

Some people do not like the first amendment that protects freedom of religion and freedom of press.

What happens to Atheists, non-theists, Hindus,Muslims, and Jews in this vision of America?

The freedom of religion / freedom of conscience is given by God, but making it as a right enforced by the government then that changes the "freedom" into into an anti religion by force of law.

I don't agree that a god gave us that stuff, but my main focus in on the rest of the statement. I'm not sure I see where the First Amendment is being an anti religion force of law. The government does not impede the activities of religions at all. They receive not for profit status and don't pay taxes, the definition of a religion under the tax code is the most generic far reaching umbrella ever conceived, and religious activities are almost always covered by Amendment 1. Animal sacrifice is covered, the SCOTUS even ruled on that one.

The only time the government ever bumps heads with religion is when religion tries to get into government dealings, such as the teaching of creationism as a legitimate alternative to scientific theories in public schools.

The ten (10) commandments have at least 4 of the commands restricting speech, and several other commandments which indirectly deny the freedom of speech.

That would appear to be true.

One big problem with the law of speech (1st Amendment) is that the US Supreme Court has turned that into a license for any kind of trash or debauchery and no way to stop it.

Which is why we need the 1st Amendment. You or I are not the authoritative expert on what is "trash" or "debauchery", and do not get to tell others what they can and can't do. That's the basis of the whole Constitution really - You can do whatever you want as long as you don't infringe on the rights of another while you are doing it. So when someone paints a picture of a religious figure in human feces (and yes that has been done), the fact that I'm disgusted by it doesn't mean they can't do it. I don't have the right to not be offended by something...

Freedom of the Press means anything goes - as like the fake News is not really the lowest nor the worse of the Press.

There are libel and slander torts available for those that wish to pursue action against that behavior. But just because some news cast says it doesn't mean you or I have to believe it.

It is not that people everywhere do not have their own God given right and ability to do everything in the first amendment - so we would not loose any of the rights without it - it would just stop the government from pushing the garbage onto us by the force of law.

I'm afraid we would definitely lose our rights if the Amendment was removed from the Constitution. And as I don't see the government pushing anything on us, I'm not sure what you would be referring to...

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 4 by JP Cusick]

hat is because science and Atheism (or secularism) are the new kind of government sponsored religion, and in our dishonest world it can be denied as saying it is not really religion and so science and Atheism are given the force of law as the government type of religion.

1.Atheism and secularism are not interchangeable.

2.If atheism is state sponsored where is my check?

3.If atheism is state sponsored how come the state has been known to oppress atheists?

4.You are not forced to be an atheist or even acknowledge science, so how does atheism and science have the force of law?

5. If you don't want any science you are free in this country to join Christian enclaves like the Amish.

I think what your really upset about is not being able to force your beliefs on me and my children.

[JP Cusick]

The only time the government ever bumps heads with religion is when religion tries to get into government dealings, such as the teaching of creationism as a legitimate alternative to scientific theories in public schools.

That is one of the really big violations of religion by teaching children to be separated from the religion of their parents - it is hard to envision a bigger violation of the parents and of the family unit then that.

No one wanted creationism to be taught in school until their children started coming home with the anti God and anti religion from their schooling.

There are other things comparable as like the government allowing abortions and legalizing homosex and now marijuana onto society, legalized a porn industry, and plenty of other stuff.

They do not call it as religion but they misuse the law under the guise of freedom to undermine the morality of the entire Country, and with the explicit intention of creating a secular humanism based on science and Atheism.

So it is not just the 1st Amendment but that is the topic of this thread.

[McCulloch]

The freedom of religion / freedom of conscience is given by God, but making it as a right enforced by the government then that changes the "freedom" into into an anti religion by force of law.

The first Ammendment is not anti religious. It protects all religions by prohibiting governments from either promoting or prohibiting religion.

The ten (10) commandments have at least 4 of the commands restricting speech, and several other commandments which indirectly deny the freedom of speech.

Good point. Many religious codes suppress human rights. Fortunately religious codes are not part of the American legal system.

One big problem with the law of speech (1st Amendment) is that the US Supreme Court has turned that into a license for any kind of trash or debauchery and no way to stop it.

How do you define trash and debauchery? Some religious folks claim that allowing men see a woman's face leads to unrestricted lust.

Freedom of the Press means anything goes - as like the fake News is not really the lowest nor the worse of the Press.

What would you offer as an alternative to free press? Maybe religious censorship.

It is not that people everywhere do not have their own God given right and ability to do everything in the first amendment - so we would not loose any of the rights without it - it would just stop the government from pushing the garbage onto us by the force of law.

Did you mean lose rather than loose?

Specifically, what garbage is your government pushing on to you in the name of the first Ammendment? Please be as specific as you can.

[McCulloch]

The only time the government ever bumps heads with religion is when religion tries to get into government dealings, such as the teaching of creationism as a legitimate alternative to scientific theories in public schools.

That is one of the really big violations of religion by teaching children to be separated from the religion of their parents - it is hard to envision a bigger violation of the parents and of the family unit then that.

Did you mean 'than' rather than 'then'? It is difficult to take advice about education from one who has not mastered the elementary grammar of his own native tongue. Wouldn't you want your offspring to get a better education than you got?

Schools teach mathematics. Mathematics has shown that the square root of two is an irrational number. If there was a religion that taught that irrational numbers don't exist, should the mathematics curriculum to accommodate? Should the children be taught an untruth because of their parents' irrationality (or their lack of acceptance of irrationalality)?

There are other things comparable as like the government allowing abortions and legalizing homosex and now marijuana onto society, legalized a porn industry, and plenty of other stuff.

Recognizing women's right to choose what happens to her body.
Allowing those who disagree with your religion's sexual prohibitions to freely express their love and have it recognized legally and socially.
Allow the recreational use of a drug less addictive than nicotine and less dangerous than alcohol. Allow the medical use of a pain relieving drug more effective than ibuprofen and with fewer side effects than other pain relievers.
Yes, I can certainly see how you are personally hard done by. [/sarcasm]