Aboloshing the first amendment?

[DanieltheDragon]

Some people do not like the first amendment that protects freedom of religion and freedom of press.

What happens to Atheists, non-theists, Hindus,Muslims, and Jews in this vision of America?

[JP Cusick]

lose rather than loose

'than' rather than 'then'

Oops!

My apologies for that.

The spelling looks so close and my spell-check can not distinguish the difference.

The fault is my own, and I do hereby confess my guilt.

What would you offer as an alternative to free press? Maybe religious censorship.

I would like to see laws against fake News, and against religious bigotry in the Press, and the press needs to stop publishing the American propaganda, and that would be a great start.

Other Countries have State sponsored News where it is strictly controlled with nothing being sensationalized, and that makes sense to me.

I remember the dirty dogs in France who kept publishing hatred against Islam, so that ordinary people had to stop that press when the government failed to protect or defend the people from the press.

[Kenisaw]

The only time the government ever bumps heads with religion is when religion tries to get into government dealings, such as the teaching of creationism as a legitimate alternative to scientific theories in public schools.

That is one of the really big violations of religion by teaching children to be separated from the religion of their parents - it is hard to envision a bigger violation of the parents and of the family unit then that.

I agree that would be a violation, but I fail to see where any school was ever tried to separate the children from their religion. Do you have a specific example in mind?

No one wanted creationism to be taught in school until their children started coming home with the anti God and anti religion from their schooling.

The Scopes Monkey Trial was in 1925. I'd disagree with your assessment.

There are other things comparable as like the government allowing abortions and legalizing homosex and now marijuana onto society, legalized a porn industry, and plenty of other stuff.

That does not separate kids from their religion. Nor does it infringe on your right to believe and worship however you see fit. There is no violation of your rights or of the rights of your kids (or anyone's kids) with those things.

I get you may not like them, and you have every right not to like them. But you don't get to decide what other people do or watch or say, as long as what they do or watch or say do not affect your Constitutional rights.

They do not call it as religion but they misuse the law under the guise of freedom to undermine the morality of the entire Country, and with the explicit intention of creating a secular humanism based on science and Atheism.

What is the "morality of the entire country"? I don't know any two people on Earth who's moral code is exactly the same. You can't possibly think the entire country has one moral code, so you must mean that things are happening that offend your moral code. While I'm sorry that you are going through that, it's not my problem. Unfortunately none of us have the right to expect that other people behave and act like we would personally...

[Clownboat]

No one wanted creationism to be taught in school until their children started coming home with the anti God and anti religion from their schooling.

Creationism is not scientific, there is no evidence for it, so why would it even belong in schools?

There are other things comparable as like the government allowing abortions

Or to put it another way, to allow the women in question to choose whether she will attempt to carry a fetus to term or not.
(Almost 1/2 of conceptions abort naturally by the way. How is your god not the biggest advocate for abortions?).

and legalizing homosex

You mean allowing other humans to participate in something you hold dear for yourself, but feel they should be restricted for some reason.
I personally find this appalling.

and now marijuana onto society,

Don't we have dominion over all seed bearing plants? Why should the government trump the Bible here in your opinion?

legalized a porn industry,

What is the complaint? We are biological creatures that reproduce sexually after all.

They do not call it as religion but they misuse the law under the guise of freedom to undermine the morality of the entire Country,

Do you not mean your morality? One where YOU think women shouldn't have the right to chose, or where people of the same sex cannot get married like you yourself can or where marijuana and porn are bad?

and with the explicit intention of creating a secular humanism based on science and Atheism.

If the gods are real, they just need to make themselves known and this atheist problem will virtually go away.

[bluethread]

I would like to see laws against fake News, and against religious bigotry in the Press, and the press needs to stop publishing the American propaganda, and that would be a great start.

Other Countries have State sponsored News where it is strictly controlled with nothing being sensationalized, and that makes sense to me.

I remember the dirty dogs in France who kept publishing hatred against Islam, so that ordinary people had to stop that press when the government failed to protect or defend the people from the press.

This makes the state the determiner of "fake news", "religious bigotry" and "propaganda". What is to stop the government from promoting "fake news", "religious bigotry" and "propaganda"?

[JP Cusick]

Creationism is not scientific, there is no evidence for it, so why would it even belong in schools?

Neither the creation nor the evolution belong in the schools as they do not teach the students to be better citizens and neither help the students to be productive members of society.

Both the science and the religion are promoting a way of thinking and of viewing life which are not healthy for an education.

Both religion and controversial science could be taught in elective College courses where they belong.


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This makes the state the determiner of "fake news", "religious bigotry" and "propaganda". What is to stop the government from promoting "fake news", "religious bigotry" and "propaganda"?

Yes, and then it would be just one or possibly 2 New sources and the population would know the sources.

Giving the public accurate News instead of fake News becomes a matter of life or death for the government because the population can and will react accordingly.

The privately owned News networks are never held accountable, except is rare occurrences.

We can only demand truth from a small segment because the bigger the quagmire then the more confusion.

[Bust Nak]

Neither the creation nor the evolution belong in the schools as they do not teach the students to be better citizens and neither help the students to be productive members of society.

Both the science and the religion are promoting a way of thinking and of viewing life which are not healthy for an education.

Both religion and controversial science could be taught in elective College courses where they belong.

All the modern convinces you have are the result of science. If that doesn't count as productive, what does? Manual labor?

Giving the public accurate News instead of fake News becomes a matter of life or death for the government because the population can and will react accordingly.

That's all the more reason for the government to feed them fake news.

[JP Cusick]

All the modern convinces you have are the result of science. If that doesn't count as productive, what does? Manual labor?

Productive means teaching students such things that make them into better people and better citizens.

Teach such things as do not lie, do not steal, do not adultery, do not murder, do not cheat, etc etc.

Teach virtues, values, morality, pride and justice, etc etc etc.

To teach people that they are descended of animals degrades the person's self identity into that of an animal.

Teach evolution as part of College courses on Archeology or Anthropology or Biography and Medical school but not to teach it below the college level.

That's all the more reason for the government to feed them fake news.

I get it that many if not most Americans do not trust our Gov, and I do not trust it either.

But in far too many cases that distrust is orchestrated by the private News agencies.

The USA does not have any official News, and none of the States do either.

I see no justice in having distrust for such a thing which has never existed.

[Clownboat]

Creationism is not scientific, there is no evidence for it, so why would it even belong in schools?

Neither the creation nor the evolution belong in the schools as they do not teach the students to be better citizens and neither help the students to be productive members of society.

We send our children to schools to learn. As a father, I teach my children to be better people. Perhaps your expectations of school are misplaced?

Both the science and the religion are promoting a way of thinking and of viewing life which are not healthy for an education.

This sentence does not make sense.
Especially if you are insinuating that the scientific method is not healthy for education since it is the best mechanism we have currently for arriving/discovering truths.
If you do not agree, please provide the better mechanism.

Both religion and controversial science could be taught in elective College courses where they belong.

What is this controversial science you allude to?
Can you provide an example of it in our schools?

[McCulloch]

Productive means teaching students such things that make them into better people and better citizens.

Amen.

Teach such things as do not lie, do not steal, do not adultery, do not murder, do not cheat, etc etc.

Teach virtues, values, morality, pride and justice, etc etc etc.

Respect other's rights, fairness, compassion, tolerance, understanding. But not keeping the sabbath.

To teach people that they are descended of animals degrades the person's self identity into that of an animal.

Humans are animals. To teach otherwise is to teach a falsehood.

Teach evolution as part of College courses on Archeology or Anthropology or Biography and Medical school but not to teach it below the college level.

Why? Evolution is a fundamental part of our understanding of biology.

I get it that many if not most Americans do not trust our Gov, and I do not trust it either.

You get the government you deserve in a democracy. Hold your elected representatives accountable. Look at their experience and qualifications before electing them.

But in far too many cases that distrust is orchestrated by the private News agencies.

Your suggestion for improvement? Eliminate freedom of the press?

The USA does not have any official News, and none of the States do either.

The individual State governments and all branches of the Federal government issue press releases. This is the official news. It is the duty of the free press to not only report this official news, but to fact check the official line.

[Clownboat]

All the modern convinces you have are the result of science. If that doesn't count as productive, what does? Manual labor?

Productive means teaching students such things that make them into better people and better citizens.

Teach such things as do not lie, do not steal, do not adultery, do not murder, do not cheat, etc etc.

Teach virtues, values, morality, pride and justice, etc etc etc.

If you ever have children, I beg you to teach these things to your children yourself. You will be disappointed if you expect others to do it for you.

To teach people that they are descended of animals degrades the person's self identity into that of an animal.

I'm living proof that this is false.
Your religion you are bound to is the ONLY thing that makes this hard for you to accept. Perhaps someday you will be set free from your beliefs, but humans are animals. Religion is not an authority on human biology, that much is certain.

Teach evolution as part of College courses on Archeology or Anthropology or Biography and Medical school but not to teach it below the college level.

There is the Theory of Evolution (feel free to find a rabbit in the Cambrian to falsify it for one example) and there is the fact of evolution. Why should we not teach these things to our children in schools?
Perhaps we should talk to our children about adultery in schools instead of teaching them how to read?