Why do some modern intelligent minds accept Yahweh?

[marco]

The Old Testament God is the stuff of nightmares, creating and destroying, commanding and punishing, crazy with jealousy and obsessive about being "loved."

It seems obvious that Yahweh is born of primitive imagining. Yet many intelligent people do accept he is a real being. Why? Some like G.K. Chesterton and C.S. Lewis have changed sides and embraced Christianity with both hands, presumably admiring the unlovable OT God. What makes people do this?

Love seems out of the question, so is it fear?

[alexxcJRO]

I'm a glass half full kinda guy, myself. Life is pretty good for me, and generally getting better for everyone on the planet. Odds are that most people in most previous generations could have said the same thing. Human civilization has generally progressed throughout the millennia, even if it's been stilted at times. I don't see any room in that picture for a malevolent deity.

One that after less than a thousandth of a cosmic year is still learning about humans, perhaps.

Q: Why the straw-man?

I was talking only about things humans do involving of what God is and what God wants.
It’s obvious that all this confusion, mutually exclusive beliefs, disbelief, mess(torture, bigotry, hate, murder/genocide) involving of what God is and what God wants exists today and has existed in the past.

It’s clear If God exists he does not want to set the record straight.
Ergo he does not care. Therefore if he exists he can only be indifferent/malevolent.

How would you have him set the record straight? You don't have some kind of ridiculous notion that he should personally come to Earth and say things like "love your neighbour" and "do to others as you'd want done to you," do you? 'cos that's just expecting far too much

Or maybe the problem is that those concepts themselves are so absurd that if this hypothetical deity wanted anyone to follow them, she really ought to offer absolute, irrefutable proof that being nice to others is the best thing to do?

The question of how is irrelevant when you have an omnipotent, omniscient being.
The important question is whether he cares to set the record straight.
It’s evidently if he exists he does not care about what happens, what has happened.
At best if he exists God is indifferent.

[Mithrae]

How would you have him set the record straight? You don't have some kind of ridiculous notion that he should personally come to Earth and say things like "love your neighbour" and "do to others as you'd want done to you," do you? 'cos that's just expecting far too much

Or maybe the problem is that those concepts themselves are so absurd that if this hypothetical deity wanted anyone to follow them, she really ought to offer absolute, irrefutable proof that being nice to others is the best thing to do?

The question of how is irrelevant when you have an omnipotent, omniscient being.
The important question is whether he cares to set the record straight.
It’s evidently if he exists he does not care about what happens, what has happened.
At best if he exists God is indifferent.

On the contrary, we have irrefutable evidence of documentation claiming that God does care and did come down to Earth to not only personally set the record straight, but to try to see things from our perspective before doing so. At no small risk of bodily harm, I might add!

Why do you not accept that? It seems the question of how God should "set the record straight" must be very important to you, if that heart-warming story isn't good enough for you.

Either way, we can see clearly enough that this argument towards an indifferent or malevolent deity is highly subjective at best.

[Kenisaw]

How would you have him set the record straight? You don't have some kind of ridiculous notion that he should personally come to Earth and say things like "love your neighbour" and "do to others as you'd want done to you," do you? 'cos that's just expecting far too much

Or maybe the problem is that those concepts themselves are so absurd that if this hypothetical deity wanted anyone to follow them, she really ought to offer absolute, irrefutable proof that being nice to others is the best thing to do?

The question of how is irrelevant when you have an omnipotent, omniscient being.
The important question is whether he cares to set the record straight.
It’s evidently if he exists he does not care about what happens, what has happened.
At best if he exists God is indifferent.

On the contrary, we have irrefutable evidence of documentation claiming that God does care and did come down to Earth to not only personally set the record straight, but to try to see things from our perspective before doing so. At no small risk of bodily harm, I might add!

Why do you not accept that? It seems the question of how God should "set the record straight" must be very important to you, if that heart-warming story isn't good enough for you.

Either way, we can see clearly enough that this argument towards an indifferent or malevolent deity is highly subjective at best.

"Irrefutable evidence of documentation"? You mean the collection of books shown to be written years after it's claimed they were written, by mostly persons unknown, and oft edited and changed based on the various codex that have been found? That irrefutable evidence?

God tried to see things from our point of view? Jesus was, supposedly, all man AND all god, at the same time. Did Jesus lie? Couldn't of, since it was also all god and god doesn't lie or deceive according to the Bible. It didn't really need to eat or drink, since it was all god the whole time. How do we know it didn't send a robot in it's place? Does it know what it's like to be forced to carry a sin because of what some chick ate off a tree back in the day? No, because Jesus didn't have original sin (according to some believers around here anyway). And let's not even get into resurrecting itself deal...

The god creature really tried to see it from our point of view, eh? At the very least, we can say that the god was a really big liar...

[polonius]

The Old Testament God is the stuff of nightmares, creating and destroying, commanding and punishing, crazy with jealousy and obsessive about being "loved."

It seems obvious that Yahweh is born of primitive imagining. Yet many intelligent people do accept he is a real being. Why? Some like G.K. Chesterton and C.S. Lewis have changed sides and embraced Christianity with both hands, presumably admiring the unlovable OT God. What makes people do this?

Love seems out of the question, so is it fear?

RESPONSE: Belief in stories and logic are different things. Don't lump them together.

[alexxcJRO]

How would you have him set the record straight? You don't have some kind of ridiculous notion that he should personally come to Earth and say things like "love your neighbour" and "do to others as you'd want done to you," do you? 'cos that's just expecting far too much

Or maybe the problem is that those concepts themselves are so absurd that if this hypothetical deity wanted anyone to follow them, she really ought to offer absolute, irrefutable proof that being nice to others is the best thing to do?

The question of how is irrelevant when you have an omnipotent, omniscient being.
The important question is whether he cares to set the record straight.
It’s evidently if he exists he does not care about what happens, what has happened.
At best if he exists God is indifferent.

On the contrary, we have irrefutable evidence of documentation claiming that God does care and did come down to Earth to not only personally set the record straight, but to try to see things from our perspective before doing so. At no small risk of bodily harm, I might add!

Why do you not accept that? It seems the question of how God should "set the record straight" must be very important to you, if that heart-warming story isn't good enough for you.

Either way, we can see clearly enough that this argument towards an indifferent or malevolent deity is highly subjective at best.

Q: Wait what, subjective?!!!!!

Common don’t make me laugh?!!! 😊)))

You only have some bogus anecdotal (testimonial) evidence from 2000 years ago.

We have the same testimonial evidence for the miracles of Sathya Say Baba(he apparently healed himself in front of the thousands of people gathered in Prashanthi Nilayam who were then praying for his recovery.), The Greys(abductions) and for any other miracle(from other religions), supernatural, paranormal event out there.

We have sincere and vivid accounts of one’s encounter with an angel or the Virgin Mary, an alien, a ghost, a Bigfoot, a child claiming to have lived before, purple auras around dying patients, a miraculous dowser, a levitating guru, and so one.

We have The Miracle of the Sun experienced by tens of thousands of people if not millions in Fatima, Portugal. According to many witnesses the sun was then reported to have careened towards the earth before zig-zagging back to its normal position.

But the logic dictates if not suffering of bias, special pleading I should also believe in reincarnation, The Greys(aliens), Bigfoot, Ghosts, and so one if I accept the miracle of Christianity because the evidence is the same: (anecdotal (testimonial) evidence).

There is no logical reason for me to accept one claim based on testimonial evidence and reject the other claims when we have the same testimonial evidence.

But yet again these claims contain mutually exclusive things and therefore I cannot accept them all for it’s logically impossible for all to be true.

So to be logically consistent I have to reject them all.

An omnipotent, omniscient can set the record straight, demonstrate his existence to everyone, deliver to everyone his message in matter of seconds with perfect efficiency.
The result 100% believers, 0% confusion, 1 religion, 1 God.


Also let's not forget:

There is confusion and disagreement even in the same religion(its members hold conflicting positions on it), take Christianity regarding perennial matters like salvation(by grace or by works or by both; is Baptism Necessary for Salvation or not?), morality (does God hate gays? it’s ok to be gay or not?), eternal conscious suffering vs annihilation vs universalism.

It's all just a convoluted mess which clearly shows if God exist he can only be indifferent/malevolent.

[Mithrae]

An omnipotent, omniscient can set the record straight, demonstrate his existence to everyone, deliver to everyone his message in matter of seconds with perfect efficiency.
The result 100% believers, 0% confusion, 1 religion, 1 God.


Also let's not forget:

There is confusion and disagreement even in the same religion(its members hold conflicting positions on it), take Christianity regarding perennial matters like salvation(by grace or by works or by both; is Baptism Necessary for Salvation or not?), morality (does God hate gays? it’s ok to be gay or not?), eternal conscious suffering vs annihilation vs universalism.

It's all just a convoluted mess which clearly shows if God exist he can only be indifferent/malevolent.

There you go: As I suspected, it is important to you exactly how you want this hypothetical god to "set the record straight."

But that hasn't really answered the second part of my question:
"Or maybe the problem is that those concepts ["love your neighbour" and "do to others as you'd want done to you"] themselves are so absurd that if this hypothetical deity wanted anyone to follow them, she really ought to offer absolute, irrefutable proof that being nice to others is the best thing to do?"

Does that make sense to you? Is being nice to others really something that needs to be proved by divine intervention? And then again for the next generation, and then again for the one after that? Is it really that difficult to grasp?

I mean granted, apparently it has been for many people throughout history and into the present. Even people professing to be followers of the alleged godman who said "love your neighbour" and "do to others as you'd want done to you" have committed warfare, torture and persecutions against their fellow man. But that seems to be a matter of human nature - I mean, they knew what he'd said, didn't they? But they went off and did those things anyway. There's no reason to suppose that repeating the same message would make much difference.

So your complaint then is not that god has failed to "set the record straight": It's that you have some particular standard for doing so in mind, which he hasn't met. But obviously different people are likely to have different standards. As a personal opinion for you, that this hypothetical deity hasn't done enough to satisfy you of his good intentions, that's fair enough. But in broader terms, it is a very subjective criterion that you're basing this argument on.

[Mithrae]

On the contrary, we have irrefutable evidence of documentation claiming that God does care and did come down to Earth to not only personally set the record straight, but to try to see things from our perspective before doing so. At no small risk of bodily harm, I might add!

Why do you not accept that? It seems the question of how God should "set the record straight" must be very important to you, if that heart-warming story isn't good enough for you.

Either way, we can see clearly enough that this argument towards an indifferent or malevolent deity is highly subjective at best.

"Irrefutable evidence of documentation"? You mean the collection of books shown to be written years after it's claimed they were written, by mostly persons unknown, and oft edited and changed based on the various codex that have been found? That irrefutable evidence?

God tried to see things from our point of view? Jesus was, supposedly, all man AND all god, at the same time. Did Jesus lie? Couldn't of, since it was also all god and god doesn't lie or deceive according to the Bible. It didn't really need to eat or drink, since it was all god the whole time. How do we know it didn't send a robot in it's place? Does it know what it's like to be forced to carry a sin because of what some chick ate off a tree back in the day? No, because Jesus didn't have original sin (according to some believers around here anyway). And let's not even get into resurrecting itself deal...

The god creature really tried to see it from our point of view, eh? At the very least, we can say that the god was a really big liar...

I'm pretty sure the 'fully God and fully human' stuff is not found anywhere in the bible. Even back when I was a Christian in my late teens I used to have a problem with that notion, "the special-effects saviour" as I used to call it. Like you say, something which is fully divine could not be fully human. But the various gospels show Jesus getting hungry, being angry, changing his mind, showing compassion, showing fear and reluctance to meet his fate, even using irony or sarcasm on occasions. From a theological perspective, the early Christian author of Hebrews paints a picture in which perfection was a struggle that Jesus had to eventually attain:

• Hebrews 5:7 who, in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to him who was able to save him from death, and was heard because of his godly fear, 8 though he was a Son, yet he learned obedience by the things which he suffered. 9 And having been perfected, he became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey him

[alexxcJRO]

There you go: As I suspected, it is important to you exactly how you want this hypothetical god to "set the record straight.
....
So your complaint then is not that god has failed to "set the record straight": It's that you have some particular standard for doing so in mind, which he hasn't met. But obviously different people are likely to have different standards. As a personal opinion for you, that this hypothetical deity hasn't done enough to satisfy you of his good intentions, that's fair enough. But in broader terms, it is a very subjective criterion that you're basing this argument on.

Genuine disbelief proves that there is no set the record straight. So i don't know what nonsense are you babbling about.

Q: Can God of the Bible set the record straight, demonstrate his existence to everyone, deliver to everyone his message in matter of seconds with perfect efficiency?(Yes/No question)

But that hasn't really answered the second part of my question:
Or maybe the problem is that those concepts ["love your neighbour" and "do to others as you'd want done to you"] themselves are so absurd that if this hypothetical deity wanted anyone to follow them, she really ought to offer absolute, irrefutable proof that being nice to others is the best thing to do?

... this hypothetical deity hasn't done enough to satisfy you of his good intentions

Q: Why would this be sign of divinity?!!!!

The golden rule, love thy enemy, love your neighbour predates Jesus.

Q: What about the rest of the instructions? What about these "good intentions"?
“You should not let a sorceress live.�(Exodus 22:17 NAB)

2. Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.� (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

3. Kill Fortunetellers
“A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.� (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

4. Death for Adultery
“If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.� (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

5. Death for Fornication
“A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.� (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

6. Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
“For the LORD had said to Moses, ‘Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites.  You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment.  They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it.  Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again.  Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.’�(Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
7. Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
“The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever.  It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.  Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy.  Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community.  Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest.  I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.’�(Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
8. God Kills the Curious
“And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and’ fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter.  And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us?�
(1 Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

9. Killed by a Lion
“Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, “Strike me!�  But the man refused to strike the prophet.  Then the prophet told him, “Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me.�  And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him.�(1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

10. Kill Sons of Sinners
“Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.�(Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

11. Mass Murder
“This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: ‘I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt.  Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban.  Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.’ “(1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)

12. More Rape and Baby Killing
“Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.  Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.  Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.�(Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)


13. God Kills an Extended Family
“You have done more evil than all who lived before you.  You have made other gods and have made me furious with your gold calves.  And since you have turned your back on me, I will bring disaster on your dynasty and kill all your sons, slave or free alike.  I will burn up your royal dynasty as one burns up trash until it is all gone.  I, the LORD, vow that the members of your family who die in the city will be eaten by dogs, and those who die in the field will be eaten by vultures.'�  Then Ahijah said to Jeroboam’s wife, “Go on home, and when you enter the city, the child will die.  All Israel will mourn for him and bury him.  He is the only member of your family who will have a proper burial, for this child is the only good thing that the LORD, the God of Israel, sees in the entire family of Jeroboam.  And the LORD will raise up a king over Israel who will destroy the family of Jeroboam.  This will happen today, even now!  Then the LORD will shake Israel like a reed whipped about in a stream.  He will uproot the people of Israel from this good land that he gave their ancestors and will scatter them beyond the Euphrates River, for they have angered the LORD by worshiping Asherah poles.  He will abandon Israel because Jeroboam sinned and made all of Israel sin along with him.� (1 Kings 14:9-16 NLT)

14. God Promises More Killing
“I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return.  I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword.  I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD.�(Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)
How the Hebrew slaves are to be treated
“If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years.  Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom.  If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year.  But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him.  If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master.  But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children.  I would rather not go free.’  If he does this, his master must present him before God.  Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl.  After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.� (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

15. Sex slave
“When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.�(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

16. Beating your slave to death
“When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.  If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.� (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

17. Slaves as property
“However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.� (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

18. Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites 
“They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men.  All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.  Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder.  They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived.  After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.
Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp.  But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle.  “Why have you let all the women live?� he demanded.  “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor.  They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people.  Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.� (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

19. More Murder Rape and Pillage 
“As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.  When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.  You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.�(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

20. Laws of Rape 
“If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.� (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB)

21. Death to the Rape Victim 
“If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.� (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

22. Rape of Female Captives 
“When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house.  But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive’s garb.  After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife.  However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.� (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

[1213]

kill a few people might be unfortunate; to destroy almost all the people on the planet is a work of wickedness.

That seems to be an opinion that depends on the point of view. For example, evil criminals probably oppose the judgment that would come because of their crime. Would it be good to let criminals continue and not judge them so that their feelings would not be hurt?

Would it be good to let evil continue and grow and make life eternal suffering for all?

And then there is also the point, if we believe what the Bible tells, yes, God drowned. But then we should also believe that God gave life. If God decides that His given life doesn’t continue forever, He has every right for that and there is no reason why He must give more. Even the short life is s gift. Do you have some reason why God must give eternal life for all?

Now that people seem to just throw their opinions, I think I can also do the same and say, in my opinion it is not wicked to end evilness. And it is not wicked if God doesn’t give eternal life for all, even if the person is not wicked. The giver of live has every right to decide how long life he gives.

And it would be also good to notice, in Biblical point of view this death that is called life is not even meant to last forever. This is only a short lesson about good and evil. The goal is in life with God. End of a body is not the true end of life, if we believe what the Bible tells. That is why, even if innocent baby would die after few hours, it is not necessary the end. it is possible that the baby continues with God. We don’t know who are really innocent and we don’t know surely what happens to every person after he dies. That is why I think it is not possible to judge God wicked. It is possible that innocent person who died has now everything far more better than he ever would have in here.

[Kenisaw]

On the contrary, we have irrefutable evidence of documentation claiming that God does care and did come down to Earth to not only personally set the record straight, but to try to see things from our perspective before doing so. At no small risk of bodily harm, I might add!

Why do you not accept that? It seems the question of how God should "set the record straight" must be very important to you, if that heart-warming story isn't good enough for you.

Either way, we can see clearly enough that this argument towards an indifferent or malevolent deity is highly subjective at best.

"Irrefutable evidence of documentation"? You mean the collection of books shown to be written years after it's claimed they were written, by mostly persons unknown, and oft edited and changed based on the various codex that have been found? That irrefutable evidence?

God tried to see things from our point of view? Jesus was, supposedly, all man AND all god, at the same time. Did Jesus lie? Couldn't of, since it was also all god and god doesn't lie or deceive according to the Bible. It didn't really need to eat or drink, since it was all god the whole time. How do we know it didn't send a robot in it's place? Does it know what it's like to be forced to carry a sin because of what some chick ate off a tree back in the day? No, because Jesus didn't have original sin (according to some believers around here anyway). And let's not even get into resurrecting itself deal...

The god creature really tried to see it from our point of view, eh? At the very least, we can say that the god was a really big liar...

I'm pretty sure the 'fully God and fully human' stuff is not found anywhere in the bible. Even back when I was a Christian in my late teens I used to have a problem with that notion, "the special-effects saviour" as I used to call it.

I may borrow that phrase some day if you don't mind, that is creatively descriptive. Back to your post though...

Like you say, something which is fully divine could not be fully human. But the various gospels show Jesus getting hungry, being angry, changing his mind, showing compassion, showing fear and reluctance to meet his fate, even using irony or sarcasm on occasions. From a theological perspective, the early Christian author of Hebrews paints a picture in which perfection was a struggle that Jesus had to eventually attain:

• Hebrews 5:7 who, in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to him who was able to save him from death, and was heard because of his godly fear, 8 though he was a Son, yet he learned obedience by the things which he suffered. 9 And having been perfected, he became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey him

Exactly, but the Gospel writers also spent a lot of time pointing out that he was all god creature too. Jesus has "all power", and is everywhere, and is our creator, and so forth and so on and such like. Now some say he was always all god, and became man as well. Makes sense to them I guess, somehow improving and/or adding to the characteristics of a god creature by also becoming a human too. Even though Jesus is a god (and the son of a god at the same time) and the god has already been described as perfect, and you can't add to perfection and make it more perfect, but somehow this perfect became human too without affecting the perfectness...

Yep, the more you look at it, the god lied to everyone.