Is suffering to appreciate life ?

[paarsurrey1]

Please
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[ttruscott]

When the righteous people suffer, they are endowed with blessings from the One-True-God:
[2:156] And We will try you with something of fear and hunger, and loss of wealth and lives, and fruits; but give glad tidings to the patient,
[2:157] Who, when a misfortune overtakes them, say, ‘Surely, to Allah we belong and to Him shall we return.’
[2:158] It is these on whom are blessings from their Lord and mercy, and it is these who are rightly guided.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/s ... &verse=155
With tribulations and sufferings, if they remain steadfast, the status of the righteous is enhanced.
Right, please? Regards

Wrong.
Righteous is used in two ways in the NT. 1. to depict someone who is sinless and will never sin, ie, GOD, the holy angels and the holy saints. And 2. as a status word to depict a sinner who is still sinful but since their are under the promise of salvation will become and remain righteous, are called righteous. I think here of the good but sinful seed of Matt 13, who are called good though sinful so good cannot mean righteous (yet) but is a status word to denote their position as elect with GOD. Also Lot was deemed to be righteous at the time he sent his daughters out to be raped, an unrighteous act, so righteous must have the meaning of a status word denoting his relationship with GOD, not his morality.

And my personal contention is that no morally righteous person ever suffers, unless maybe selfless suffering in the service of others.. Only the sinful suffer and die. The blessings of the suffering of the sinful righteous in status only, are not to be put upon the morally righteous. The 'saints to be' are disciplined by painful discipline (suffering) to train them in moral righteousness but once they ARE righteous, their discipline and suffering stops...cold. Heb 12:5-11.

[JP Cusick]

No. We can appreciate life without suffering.

We can now make that claim only because we already know suffering.

If we use the Bible as our guide - then God first created the spirit life of Angels and such, and they could not die, they could not feel pain and had no physical suffering, and the Bible tells that a third of them rebelled and they did not comprehend that their rebellion could create horrible results as like painful suffering and death.

It was then that God created a new physical life form of humanity who would thereby learn and know about the reality of suffering and pain and death, and this reality gives people a better appreciation of life.

Even Jesus learned through suffering = Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

As such the Spirit world appears to be superior to lost humanity, but according to the Bible we people are greater than the Angels and Demons.

As seen here = 1 Corinthians 6:
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

We would not know how nice is the fresh apple if we do not first experience a rotten apple.

[paarsurrey1]

Is suffering to appreciate life ?

Nobody likes to suffer, to have pain or to have a disease. Yes, but if one doesn't feel pain, one won't go to a doctor for the treatment of the disease and one may die in its consequence, sometimes.

Congenital insensitivity to pain (CIP), also known as congenital analgesia, is one or more rare conditions in which a person cannot feel (and has never felt) physical pain.[1] The conditions described here are separate from the HSAN group of disorders, which have more specific signs and cause. Because feeling physical pain is vital for survival, CIP is an extremely dangerous condition.[1] It is common for people with the condition to die in childhood due to injuries or illnesses going unnoticed.[1][2] Burn injuries are one of the more common injuries.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congenita ... ty_to_pain

Right, please?
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[JP Cusick]

Is suffering to appreciate life ?

Nobody likes to suffer, to have pain or to have a disease. Yes, but if one doesn't feel pain, one won't go to a doctor for the treatment of the disease and one may die in its consequence, sometimes.

It is also significant that the same feelings which feel pain are the same feelings for feeling a kiss or a hug or feel sexual contact, because the ability to feel pleasure is attached to the same ability to feel the pain.

To appreciate life is a two-edged-sword which cuts both ways.

[paarsurrey1]

Is suffering to appreciate life ?

Nobody likes to suffer, to have pain or to have a disease. Yes, but if one doesn't feel pain, one won't go to a doctor for the treatment of the disease and one may die in its consequence, sometimes.

It is also significant that the same feelings which feel pain are the same feelings for feeling a kiss or a hug or feel sexual contact, because the ability to feel pleasure is attached to the same ability to feel the pain.

To appreciate life is a two-edged-sword which cuts both ways.

I liked one's post and will like to add that sentiments , love, taste, colors human love, the picturesque scenes etc speak for life.
Nobody normally wants to die however one suffers is a sign that the suffering is the other side of the coin of life. We are not machine-made robots or are not objects like artificial intelligence.
Everything that we cannot identify to be made by a human by name is created by the One-True-God, in reality and in the proverbial usage of the languages. He is Great more or most correctly "God is the Greatest". Right, please?
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