Is there an answer to Islamic terrorism?

[marco]

And so beautiful Barcelona joins the list of cities terrorists have attacked. I don't doubt that there are those who will say America and the West are responsible. One of the terrorists apparently wrote of his desire to kill infidels.

I was in Madrid a few weeks ago and had intended to revisit Barcelona and its busy street, Las Ramblas, where the atrocities occurred. So terror is just a breath away, at least here in Europe.

Is it possible for those who want to kill to be educated if not by impious Westerners by Imams? Are those who want to kill "infidels" already known in their home circles? Obviously the scale of this lunacy will grow and we will hear on our screens the fatuous: "They will not win." But they do.

What can we do to ensure "they will not win"? Should the world convert to Islam, at least nominally?

[JP Cusick]

I am sorry, I thought for certain that I posted the link earlier.

For what it's worth, just do a quick google search on Dabiq: Why We Hate You, and you will find many articles discussing ISIS's publication of this 82 page document. Page 30 contains the relevant information, and it is aptly titled, Why We Hate You & Why We Fight You.

Link: https://clarionproject.org/factsheets-f ... -cross.pdf

I looked at the link and it has nothing directly from any person from Syria, and it is just a hate-the-Muslim website.

And it is noteworthy that the source of the Clarion Project just happens to be a Jewish Rabbi who wants to expand the borders of the Jewish State by seizing more territory from Syria.

The so-called ISIS (or ISIL) was created (approx 2013) by the USA as a political tool to claim we were fighting some real enemy, instead of people seeing the USA as just murdering Syrian civilians fighting for their freedom = the Free Syrian Army (FSA).

[Bust Nak]

[Replying to post 71 by JP Cusick]

Is Al Jazeera also a hate-the-Muslim website? They seem to acknowledge that Dabiq is the official magazine of ISIS / ISIL.

[marco]

The so-called ISIS (or ISIL) was created (approx 2013) by the USA as a political tool to claim we were fighting some real enemy, instead of people seeing the USA as just murdering Syrian civilians fighting for their freedom = the Free Syrian Army (FSA).

The truth is that there are no good guys in the Syrian conflict. Those noble freedom fighters killed a young boy, selling tea, because the child insulted Muhammad when he said he'd refuse to give free tea even if the Prophet asked him. These brutes, whom you praise, drank the blood of the state soldiers. And the USA opposes Assad and aligns with these pious rebels. Russia fights them and supports Assad. You would like to suppose that those who devoutly believe in Islam don't drink blood, murder kids or blow up innocent people. You are wrong.

I agree the West should just leave the Arabs to get on with fighting each other. You think this would bring peace and goodwill to all men. Our attempt to democratise the Middle East, where Israel is the only democracy, failed because these people do not want freedom; they want religious chains and they want to stone young girls and apostates. We should have left them to their barbarism and our cities might have been safer. Now the destruction, common in Arab cities, is coming to the civilised West. We engineered our own misery by our misplaced humanitarianism.

[paarsurrey1]

It is our own government of the West and of the USA who want you to hate and to fear the Muslims and to inflame your bigotry, and that is why your words are just parroting the words of the warmongering propaganda.

We fear and hate terrorists who mean us harm. Why do you want to equate that to fearing and hating Muslims?

Who is doing more harm to the relation between the West and Islamic countries, those like us who understand the difference between terrorists and Muslims, or those like you who want to muddle the water between terrorists and Muslims?

Is there an answer to Islamic terrorism?

Islam is a religion, not a person, so why associate terrorism with Islam, please?

Ask the terrorists, they are the ones who wants to associate terrorism with Islam. I think it makes it easier to a) justify their actions, b) get more recruits and c) they actually believe they are fighting a holy war.

That doesn't justify associating terrorism with Islam. Islam is a religion which has no, repeat no, repeat no teaching of hating, hurting or killing the innocent persons. It creates hatred against a religion which is most peaceful and spreading in the world by peaceful means. These terrorists are hampering Islams spread, so please correct oneself and make one's concept rational. Right, please?
Regards

[marco]

That doesn't justify associating terrorism with Islam. Islam is a religion which has no, repeat no, repeat no teaching of hating, hurting or killing the innocent persons.

You are wrong, repeat wrong, paarsurrey. A religion of peace preaches PEACE. Why is Islam NOT a religion of peace?

1. Sunni kills Shi'ite.
2. The Bible is banned in Saudi Arabia, home of Islam.
3. Islamic countries still have stoning and beheading.
4. Thousands rise up in anger when Muhammad is mocked. People were murdered because of the fatwa against Salman Rushdie, issued by an ayatollah.
5. The Quran has at least 100 verses advocating war or violence against unbelievers.

But since you are unaware of this, here are a few reminders. These verses preach hatred not peace. And the Quran is used today so do not say these verses no longer apply. This is where Islamic terrorism springs from - the Quran.


Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you.


Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."



Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"


Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."


Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."



Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."


Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."


AND MANY MORE! Islam is therefore NOT a religion of peace. It is a terrifying political creed.

[JP Cusick]

Is Al Jazeera also a hate-the-Muslim website? They seem to acknowledge that Dabiq is the official magazine of ISIS / ISIL.

When we know that the USA has vast control over the internet, and we know that the USA is bombing and murdering everyone they view as the enemy, then there can not be any website or magazine from ISIS or ISIL without having the USA in support thereof.

The Al Jazeera does not defy nor contradict any of the demands by the US military.

All we get in the West and in the USA is the American propaganda machine.

This is not complicated.

[paarsurrey1]

That doesn't justify associating terrorism with Islam. Islam is a religion which has no, repeat no, repeat no teaching of hating, hurting or killing the innocent persons.

You are wrong, repeat wrong, paarsurrey. A religion of peace preaches PEACE. Why is Islam NOT a religion of peace?

1. Sunni kills Shi'ite.
2. The Bible is banned in Saudi Arabia, home of Islam.
3. Islamic countries still have stoning and beheading.
4. Thousands rise up in anger when Muhammad is mocked. People were murdered because of the fatwa against Salman Rushdie, issued by an ayatollah.
5. The Quran has at least 100 verses advocating war or violence against unbelievers.

But since you are unaware of this, here are a few reminders. These verses preach hatred not peace. And the Quran is used today so do not say these verses no longer apply. This is where Islamic terrorism springs from - the Quran.


Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you.


Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."



Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"


Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."


Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."



Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."


Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."


AND MANY MORE! Islam is therefore NOT a religion of peace. It is a terrifying political creed.

Has one read Quran oneself, please?
All the verses given above are out of the context which some people may term as quote-mining or contextomy, though one has no such intention, I am sure.

One could select any one of the verses quoted by one, please select the most objectionable one in one's opinion, and quote that verse again with five preceding and five following verses of the same, that will provide the clue to the true meaning of the verse, please.
I believe the objection will get resolved.

Regards

[marco]

All the verses given above are out of the context which some people may term as quote-mining or contextomy, though one has no such intention, I am sure.

When people are told to kill, then protesting the quote is out of context is futile. It is nice that you WANT to see good in the Quran, even when it expresses wickedness. This reflects the goodness in you. I believe much of the Quran is wicked. That is why terrorists find excuses today, and utter that Allah is great. Allah, after all, told them to kill infidels.

Take verse 5:33 which I quoted. People are told that Allah's enemies should be put to death and specifically "have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides." Can you possibly justify a true, caring god saying this? What possible context could redeem this wicked advice?
He continues:
As for unbelievers theirs shall be a woeful punishment.
Theirs will be a lasting punishment (in fire).
For those who steal cut off their hands....

THIS is the context. And this is not peace or forgiveness.
Allah deliberately deceives: 5:41 - You cannot help a man if Allah seeks to mislead him. They shall have shame and a grievous punishment in the next world.

Such is the context - punish, kill, torture. burn. Religion of Peace????

And of course we could return to the wife-beating advice. If your wives continue to disobey, you must BEAT them. Religion of peace??????


The heading of each surah suggests - sarcastically - that Allah is merciful. Not to those who don't believe!

I think you are rather starry-eyed about the Quran. My copy is a translation by Dawood. I have never found anything pleasant in it; it is worse than the Old Testament from which it has been erroneously constructed. My opinion! Islamic terrorists obviously think it offers good advice.

[marco]

All we get in the West and in the USA is the American propaganda machine.

This is not complicated.

Thankfully you are making inroads into restoring some balance. Terrorists are freedom fighters; those who kill people in a theatre are nice souls, hurt by America. The internecine killings among Muslims are caused by wicked America. There would be no religious beheadings or stoning for immorality had America not sanctioned them.

If that's your answer to Islam's terror we live on different planets.

[JP Cusick]

Thankfully you are making inroads into restoring some balance. Terrorists are freedom fighters; those who kill people in a theatre are nice souls, hurt by America. The internecine killings among Muslims are caused by wicked America. There would be no religious beheadings or stoning for immorality had America not sanctioned them.

If that's your answer to Islam's terror we live on different planets.

Mine is planet reality based on truth.

Yours is planet propaganda to believe every Western lie.

The USA has no right nor any business being in Syria at all.