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So, where do you stand as to whether it is present, future, or has both a present and a future aspect?Luke 16:
6 The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is being zealously urged into it.
More to the point, are you taking into consideration what is intended by "set up"?Are you taking into consideration that since the earth has not seen, yet, the promises fulfilled that the Kingdom will provide, it must not have been completely set up over the planet as the Scriptures state will happen?
To a JW, yes; to the world, maybe.1914 was a significant year
Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 374 by onewithhim]
To a JW, yes; to the world, maybe.1914 was a significant year
To God, not so, just more of man's lostness and foolishness.
I am familiar with the verses.Checkpoint wrote:Thanks for these exchanges.onewithhim wrote:True, it will be at the very end of the Millennium that humans will have achieved complete perfection. But it will be DURING the Millennium that the dead will come back and the earth brought back to its pristine state, as created by God in the beginning. (What do you think the Millennium will be for?)Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 366 by onewithhim]
According to that definition, this can only be after the millennium.I believe that Jesus was referring to the time after Armageddon when God's will will be done as it is in heaven---that is, completely, with no aberrations. That is when the Kingdom can truly be said to have come.
See Revelation 20:1-3; 7-9.
The dead "come back", not during but "at the very end of the Millennium".
See Revelation 20:11-15.
Sorry to disagree, but anyone who has seen their dead relatives are actually seeing demons who are masquerading as those people. You seem to think demons are either fictional or inactive. In reality they are very much involved with human-kind and get a great kick out of pretending to be someone's dead relative.Monta wrote: [Replying to post 375 by onewithhim]
"True, it will be at the very end of the Millennium that humans will have achieved complete perfection. But it will be DURING the Millennium that the dead will come back and the earth brought back to its pristine state, as created by God in the beginning. (What do you think the Millennium will be for?)"
Which humans? Shall the humans for million other planets have to wait for dead earthlings to wake up?
What waste of time! Eternity to explore but in the middle we shall be dead?
Besides the fact it does not make sense it is not scriptural opr factual. Millions of people with NDE or OBE have seen their 'dead' relatives who are very much alive.
How was this revealed to you?JehovahsWitness wrote:Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 374 by onewithhim]
To a JW, yes; to the world, maybe.1914 was a significant year
To God, not so, just more of man's lostness and foolishness.
No, to God 1914 was most definitely a significant year, and it has nothing to do with the world's conflict but to do with his own sovereignty and the accomplishment of his purpose.
Only those with eyes of faith and holy spirit can understand this.
JW
onewithhim wrote:Checkpoint wrote:Thanks for these exchanges.onewithhim wrote:True, it will be at the very end of the Millennium that humans will have achieved complete perfection. But it will be DURING the Millennium that the dead will come back and the earth brought back to its pristine state, as created by God in the beginning. (What do you think the Millennium will be for?)Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 366 by onewithhim]
According to that definition, this can only be after the millennium.I believe that Jesus was referring to the time after Armageddon when God's will will be done as it is in heaven---that is, completely, with no aberrations. That is when the Kingdom can truly be said to have come.
See Revelation 20:1-3; 7-9.
The dead "come back", not during but "at the very end of the Millennium".
See Revelation 20:11-15.Yes it does, because that is what is stated.I am familiar with the verses.
What does this actually mean? "The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended."
Does it have to mean they were not resurrected until the thousand years were ended?
No, not all that, because it is mostly other than what Revelation 20 tells us, and is thus adding to scripture.Why not this?.......
Verse 4 spoke of the anointed co-rulers with Christ, and that they "came to life" before they started their rule. That is, God gave them everlasting life before the Millennial Reign. Then verse 5 refers to those that would be resurrected to the Earth (the rest of the dead). I have already said that they would be gradually reaching perfection during those thousand years, because that is what the thousand years is for, mainly. So they wouldn't be given a clean bill of health, so to speak, until they become perfect and then are tested by Satan that last time, as mentioned in verses 7 and 8. The ones who do not go with Satan will be given the prize of eternal life. That is what it means when it says that they "did not come to life" until the end of the thousand years. The would come to life, or, be given eternal life, the real life, after their stand against Satan, after the Millennial Reign.
Disciples of Christ are encouraged to "safely treasure up for themselves a fine foundation for the future, to get a firm hold on the REAL life." (I Timothy 6:19) That is the "life" that Revelation 20:5 and 11-15 talks about. For us, the everlasting life that Jesus gave up his earthly life for.
How was this revealed to you? By holy spiritCheckpoint wrote:
How was this revealed to you?
How do you know it came from God?
What spiritual evidence was given as to its claim and its source?
Please excuse me, but the above seems a little circular. Would you mind sharing with me...and others...how you know that the bible is valid 'spiritual evidence?"JehovahsWitness wrote:How was this revealed to you? By holy spiritCheckpoint wrote:
How was this revealed to you?
How do you know it came from God?
What spiritual evidence was given as to its claim and its source?
How do you know it came from God? The same way you do
What spiritual evidence was given as to its claim and its source? The bible
dianaiad wrote: I am often curious as to how others can use the bible as 'spiritual' evidence, or of evidence of any sort, without knowing, or explaining, why they think it is "spiritual evidence."
