Is there ANY scientific evidence could show there is no God?

[Danmark]

Is there any scientific evidence that, if discovered, would prove to a Christian that the God of the Bible is man made and does not correspond to reality? In other words, is there anything you can imagine that would demonstrate there is no God?

Many Christian apologists appeal to science to support their belief in the Christian God; however, I suggest those apologists do not actually accept any scientific evidence that might suggest this 'God Story' is a hoax. I would like to test this hypothesis by asking if there is anything science could report that would convince believers in the God of the Bible that the Biblical claims about God are false?

[Tart]

Is there any scientific evidence that, if discovered, would prove to a Christian that the God of the Bible is man made and does not correspond to reality? In other words, is there anything you can imagine that would demonstrate there is no God?

Many Christian apologists appeal to science to support their belief in the Christian God; however, I suggest those apologists do not actually accept any scientific evidence that might suggest this 'God Story' is a hoax. I would like to test this hypothesis by asking if there is anything science could report that would convince believers in the God of the Bible that the Biblical claims about God are false?

Great question... Here is what i think... If Christ wasnt risen from the dead, then Christianity is false...

And even the First deciples said it.
14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead.
~Paul

This is a genuinely authentic belief in the early Disciples. I think the evidence shows us that the Disciples genuinely believed that they encountered Jesus after the Resurrection, and they said if Jesus wasnt raised, then get out of Town..

Historian Michael Licona captures the key point in his book The Resurrection of Jesus: A New Historiographical Approach: “After Jesus’ death, the disciples endured persecution, and a number of them experienced martyrdom. The strength of their conviction indicates that they were not just claiming Jesus had appeared to them after rising from the dead. They really believed it. They willingly endangered themselves by publicly proclaiming the risen Christ.�

Bart Ehrman (agnostic/atheist Biblical scholar) writes: “It is a historical fact that some of Jesus’ followers came to believe that he had been raised from the dead soon after his execution.

So I take this, extraordinary claim as a genuine belief in the first Disciples...

But ill have to be honest, with Biblical liberalism I withhold my judgments on one way or the other. If God had the power to raise Jesus, then this is an all powerful God...

However, I dont think a young earth is likely. I mean, even the light from galaxies tells us otherwise. I withhold my judgement of Noah's Arc, and the Flood. I think its likely that life evolved in some kind of manner, to get to what it is today. Perhaps by some kind way of destiny, of God's will. Perhaps the DNA is God speaking men into existence, that is what some modern apologetic's, and biologist, have said.

But certainly i think the evidence for design, destiny, and an unfolding of God's will is solid. That God has a path already mapped out for humanity and everyone of us. Therefor it is likely God directed evolution as well (if thats how it happened).

The truth is, is that i just want to know the truth... The truth about all things, as well as the truth about the scripture. I think it is likely, from my studies, that the Hebrew language can be traced as far back as to the Semites.. Being developed around the same time the Pyramids were biuld, or perhaps even before then. I think it is reasonable that Genesis can be said to have some kind of historical value as far back as Genesis 10. But im open to the possibility that it may not, i just havent really seen any good evidence or arguments that this isnt historical, and reasonable evidence it is.


And actually, i think the interpretation of the Old Testament should be left to those living in that covenant. How would they interpret these things? Because we have a much different method of living in these modern times, and i think this is just part of living in the New Covenant.

When the Old Testament records were destroyed in 70AD, with the temple, prophesied by Christ... That put an end to an old way of doing things.. And now i think we can interpret the New testament in a reasonable modern kind of way...

However, the design of God, isnt fully known to me, but i certainly would like to know what is true, and what isnt...

18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.�

20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

This is design, and this is the New Covenant

[Willum]

[Replying to post 41 by Tart]

Those first disciples cannot be shown to be real people either.
Sincere belief of invented people, is invented belief.

[TSGracchus]

[Replying to post 41 by Tart]
"For it is written: 'I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.' " 1 Corinthians 1:19

I wonder... Do Christians ever consider the possibility that it is their intelligence that has been frustrated?

“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.� ― Martin Luther

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."---Galileo Galilei

I think that sets the positions of the basic debate. Do we believe an old book or what is written in the stars, the stones and the very stuff of life. Humans write books. God, if he exists, writes reality. Men tell me I must believe as they do or I will be tortured and burned. My mind, supposedly the gift of God, tells me to go with the evidence.
Christians all seem to me to be afraid. My mind tells me that I am a vortex of probabilities in space-time, part of the awareness of the self-aware universe. I have nothing to fear.

[Tart]

[Replying to post 41 by Tart]

Those first disciples cannot be shown to be real people either.
Sincere belief of invented people, is invented belief.

Would you like me to build a case for the historicity of the early Church and the first disciples? (and Jesus at that matter)

[Tart]

[Replying to post 41 by Tart]
"For it is written: 'I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.' " 1 Corinthians 1:19

I wonder... Do Christians ever consider the possibility that it is their intelligence that has been frustrated?

“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.� ― Martin Luther

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."---Galileo Galilei

I think that sets the positions of the basic debate. Do we believe an old book or what is written in the stars, the stones and the very stuff of life. Humans write books. God, if he exists, writes reality. Men tell me I must believe as they do or I will be tortured and burned. My mind, supposedly the gift of God, tells me to go with the evidence.
Christians all seem to me to be afraid. My mind tells me that I am a vortex of probabilities in space-time, part of the awareness of the self-aware universe. I have nothing to fear.

The construct of judgement is a real thing, and it reflects the reality we live in today with our laws, our societies, and our courts...

[TSGracchus]

[Replying to post 45 by Tart]
Non sequitur.

[marco]

[Replying to post 45 by Tart]
Non sequitur.

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[Danmark]

Is there any scientific evidence that, if discovered, would prove to a Christian that the God of the Bible is man made and does not correspond to reality? In other words, is there anything you can imagine that would demonstrate there is no God?

Many Christian apologists appeal to science to support their belief in the Christian God; however, I suggest those apologists do not actually accept any scientific evidence that might suggest this 'God Story' is a hoax. I would like to test this hypothesis by asking if there is anything science could report that would convince believers in the God of the Bible that the Biblical claims about God are false?

Great question... Here is what i think... If Christ wasnt risen from the dead, then Christianity is false...

And even the First deciples said it.
14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead.
~Paul

This is a genuinely authentic belief in the early Disciples. I think the evidence shows us that the Disciples genuinely believed that they encountered Jesus after the Resurrection, and they said if Jesus wasnt raised, then get out of Town..

Historian Michael Licona captures the key point in his book The Resurrection of Jesus: A New Historiographical Approach: “After Jesus’ death, the disciples endured persecution, and a number of them experienced martyrdom. The strength of their conviction indicates that they were not just claiming Jesus had appeared to them after rising from the dead. They really believed it. They willingly endangered themselves by publicly proclaiming the risen Christ.�

Bart Ehrman (agnostic/atheist Biblical scholar) writes: “It is a historical fact that some of Jesus’ followers came to believe that he had been raised from the dead soon after his execution.

So I take this, extraordinary claim as a genuine belief in the first Disciples...

But ill have to be honest, with Biblical liberalism I withhold my judgments on one way or the other. If God had the power to raise Jesus, then this is an all powerful God...

Certainly some were sincere in their belief of a Christ risen from the dead. This is evidence of only one thing, sincerity. Sincerity of belief is not evidence of the truth of the belief itself. Some people sincerely believe the Earth is flat. That does not change the fact the Earth is almost a perfect sphere. Thousands of people have died for their false beliefs. Or do you think Muslim suicide terrorists prove the truth of Islam because they are willing to die for their beliefs?

You indicate the question in the OP is a 'great one,' but you haven't offered any example of scientific evidence that, if discovered, would convince you. You have offered that you believe the evidence suggests the Earth is not 'young,' as the Bible claims. This is odd since it is one example of evidence that SHOULD demonstrate the Bible is wrong.

This is actually the point of the question. There is much scientific evidence that demonstrates that belief in [at least the Biblical version of] God is not justified.

[Aetixintro]

[Replying to post 1 by Danmark]

I find that both telepathy and souls have been proven, but that the evidence is being withheld from the public or that is suppressed. There is in fact quite a lot of dishonesty among academia and this has many expressions.

One such expression is the Stanford Prison experiment that suggests prisons are all wrong, but failing to include the education and professional ethics of the prison guards and administration.

I must remind you that the founding document for Atheism, The Necessity of Atheism, rules out any "supernatural instances" and constrains itself to "local senses.

Clearly then, by telepathy, regeneration and reincarnation, the notion of God seems more to the point than amoral Atheism, also by new research on ("category"-)schizophrenia!

Note: reincarnation here means that you are back in flesh and blood after an event that should normally have killed you!

Link: The Necessity of Atheism, https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Nece ... _(Shelley)

[Danmark]

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