Does the journey or the destination matter more?

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:45 pm

marco · Post by **marco** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:55 am

Wootah wrote: Is the training for a war more important than winning?

Is the study for an exam more important than the exam?

Is chemotherapy more important than being cancer free?

In your examples you are changing the issues.

1. Training for war is training that leads to the ability to fight. The issue is not winning. In fact training for war is wise: There is a saying attributed to various authors: If it's peace you want, prepare for war. So yes, the preparation is better than the actual engagement. War may be prevented by being ready for it.

2. The long years of preparation at school or university ending in an exam are the areas of importance, where knowledge is obtained. An exam is merely the verification. If students went into an exam without a preparation period, they would not do well. Preparation imparts confidence; it gives self-knowledge. An exam in a sense is just an artificiality; what has been learned is important, not the test. I enjoyed exams at school, but the preparation, not the test, gave me the foundations of knowledge.

3. Chemotherapy isn't an action; it's a course of treatment. It does not ensure one is cancer-free. The period of HOPE that all will be well is better than the frequent discovery that the course was in vain.

But when we make a rule, we do expect exceptions and these don't diminish the value of the rule.

BeHereNow · Post by **BeHereNow** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:31 am

Wootah wrote: Is the training for a war more important than winning?

And if due to inadequate training, the war is lost, how important was the training?

Is the study for an exam more important than the exam?

So the purpose of an education is exams? Fooled me. The exam is simply validation for others. It serves me no purpose, other than a means to a grade.
Study, skip the exam, continue the journey.

Is chemotherapy more important than being cancer free?

No chemo, no cure. Yeah, no brainer there. Gotta have the chemo, or the journey ends, before the cure.

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:03 pm

More arguments for the destination.

In general, hope is for a future goal.

When you book a holiday that future holiday colours the whole time leading up to it. Long hours at work seem far more perseverable when you have a destination in planned versus having no goal at the end the long hours can seem longer and without end.

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:04 pm

Also is the Sth American migrant caravan more interested in the journey or the destination?

marco · Post by **marco** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:15 pm

Wootah wrote: Also is the Sth American migrant caravan more interested in the journey or the destination?

I don't know what meaning you're attaching to the adage that it's better to travel with hope than to arrive. Life tells us that realisation often disappoints.

The travellers, be they Hondurans or the masses from the Middle East invading Europe, are quite certainly travelling hopefully. Hope seems to keep their boats afloat and nourishes them.

I once played chess in a simultaneous with a world champion and I cerainly travelled hopefully; the arrival was disappointing. The journey and experience were everything, though. I don't see what there is to argue about here. It's a nice little piece of wisdom. Aphorisms aren't meant to be dissected, inspected, corrected.

BeHereNow · Post by **BeHereNow** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:32 pm

Wootah wrote: More arguments for the destination.

In general, hope is for a future goal.

When you book a holiday that future holiday colours the whole time leading up to it. Long hours at work seem far more perseverable when you have a destination in planned versus having no goal at the end the long hours can seem longer and without end.

No employment, no holiday. Which is more important?

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:04 pm

[Replying to post 16 by BeHereNow]

Employment is to provide money for the various financial goals we have. The goals colour our present activities and help us to survive them.

Also if you have no employment it is wise to set that as a destination and go study.

Post by **Tcg** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:10 pm

Wootah wrote: More arguments for the destination.

Wootah wrote:
Long hours at work seem far more perseverable when you have a destination in planned versus having no goal at the end the long hours can seem longer and without end.

You state that this is an argument for the destination. However, the only positive you mention concerning the destination is that it makes the journey better.

Your attempt to argue the opposite reveals that you consider the journey a priority over the destination. According to your reasoning, the destination has meaning only in that it improves the journey.

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:20 pm

[Replying to post 18 by Tcg]

Hopefully, I am showing that the destination is so much more important than the journey that it even colours the quality of the journey.

Post by **Tcg** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:24 pm

Wootah wrote: The goals colour our present activities and help us to survive them.

Once again you reveal your own priority for the journey over the destination.

The goals are only valued in that they help us survive "our present activates" - i.e. the journey.