The Millennium, the 1000 years of Revelation 20...

[Checkpoint]

This thread stems from the following exchange between myself and Pinseeker:

PinSeeker wrote:

The millennium of Revelation 20 is not a future event. It was when Jeremiah prophesied, obviously, but is not anymore. Or, to be more exacting, it's no longer merely a future event.

Checkpoint asked:

Then why do so many believers think of it as yet future only?

Pinseeker explained:

For at least two reasons, I think:

1. A basic misunderstanding of Revelation as a whole, and the Millennium of chapter 20 included.

2. Many believers (primarily western believers) have bought into the heresy of the "rapture," which came about in the early 19th century. It's not that they are heretics, it's just that that's all they've ever been exposed to.

That's one take from one school of thought.

Your take may be similar or be completely different.

Please share it here, and tell us why you hold that position.

[myth-one.com]

But He (Christ) is the Word.

Not exactly.

To be precise, He's the Word made flesh:

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us... (John 1:14)

That's a big difference.

[tam]

Peace to you!

But He (Christ) is the Word.

Not exactly.

To be precise, He's the Word made flesh:

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us... (John 1:14)

That's a big difference.

The only difference is the body (the vessel) that He was in.

I think you might have missed this post:

viewtopic.php?p=966943#966943


There are a lot of posts, so it is understandable that you may have overlooked that one.



Peace again to you!

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 243 by Checkpoint]

The man Christ Jesus continues to sit at the right hand of his Father, mediating on the throne of grace, still existing as Jesus Christ.

One of his many names is the Word of God.

One person, alive forever, in one resurrected body, which he said was "flesh and bones".

You're still OK with a flesh and bones man over 2,000 years old sitting at the right hand of God for all eternity?

Where, specifically, in the NT, does it plainly say otherwise?

[myth-one.com]

So immortal spiritual bodied beings CANNOT be made into a flesh and blood man?

Sure they can .... -- see above

So you are saying that "the Word became flesh" is an example of an immortal spiritual bodied being being made into a flesh and blood human?

Eh, no.

The Word can NEVER be terminated -- being immortal!

That's my final answer -- it isn't going to change.

However God accomplished it, Jesus was the Word made flesh. A separate natural physical human being which could be tempted like any other man:

For we have not an high priest (Jesus) which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

So, When The Word was made into a flesh and blood human, where did The Word (in flesh and blood form) live after the word was made into a flesh and blood human?

There is no spiritual Word in flesh and blood form.

That would have accomplished nothing. Spiritual beings cannot die.

That is why Jesus was a man. Men die.

Jesus was born in Bethlehem, and lived in the middle east.

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The flesh and blood human Jesus Christ is sometimes called the word of God.

Even more often, the scriptures are the word of God.

The Gospels are the word of God.

The Church spreads and teaches the word of God.

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But the spiritual being named The Word is one immortal spiritual being.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to post 258 by tam]

I could be misunderstanding what you have been trying to say, but Christ is the same being (the same person) from the beginning until now (and for all time).

No man lives forever.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to post 243 by Checkpoint]

The man Christ Jesus continues to sit at the right hand of his Father, mediating on the throne of grace, still existing as Jesus Christ.

One of his many names is the Word of God.

One person, alive forever, in one resurrected body, which he said was "flesh and bones".

You're still OK with a flesh and bones man over 2,000 years old sitting at the right hand of God for all eternity?

Where, specifically, in the NT, does it plainly say otherwise?

No one composed of flesh and blood can inherit the Kingdom of God:

And as we have borne the image of the earthy (physical bodied mankind), we shall also bear the image of the heavenly (God and the angels). Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;... (I Corinthians 15:49-50)

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 243 by Checkpoint]

The man Christ Jesus continues to sit at the right hand of his Father, mediating on the throne of grace, still existing as Jesus Christ.

One of his many names is the Word of God.

One person, alive forever, in one resurrected body, which he said was "flesh and bones".

You're still OK with a flesh and bones man over 2,000 years old sitting at the right hand of God for all eternity?

Where, specifically, in the NT, does it plainly say otherwise?

No one composed of flesh and blood can inherit the Kingdom of God:

And as we have borne the image of the earthy (physical bodied mankind), we shall also bear the image of the heavenly (God and the angels). Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;... (I Corinthians 15:49-50)

Your quotes did not successfully answer my question.

Jesus said "flesh and bones", whereas the verses say "flesh and blood".

In our mortal soulish unresurrected body our life is in our blood.

In our immortal spiritual resurrection body our life is in Jesus; he who has the Son has life.

We will then bear the image of the heavenly, the man from heaven.

Grace and peace to you, myth-one.

[JehovahsWitness]

So immortal spiritual bodied beings CANNOT be made into a flesh and blood man?

Sure they can.
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So you are saying that immortal spiritual bodied beings CAN be made into a flesh and blood man?

[JehovahsWitness]

Jesus was the Word made flesh.

What do you mean "Jesus was the Word" are you saying that before Jesus was Jesus he {qoute} "was THE WORD"? When was Jesus THE WORD?

If the Word is immortal and Jesus was flesh, then there were two separate beings.

Jesus was the Word made flesh.

So immortal spiritual bodied beings CANNOT be made into a flesh and blood man?

Sure they can.

Jesus was the Word ...

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to post 243 by Checkpoint]

The man Christ Jesus continues to sit at the right hand of his Father, mediating on the throne of grace, still existing as Jesus Christ.

One of his many names is the Word of God.

One person, alive forever, in one resurrected body, which he said was "flesh and bones".

You're still OK with a flesh and bones man over 2,000 years old sitting at the right hand of God for all eternity?

Where, specifically, in the NT, does it plainly say otherwise?

No one composed of flesh and blood can inherit the Kingdom of God:

And as we have borne the image of the earthy (physical bodied mankind), we shall also bear the image of the heavenly (God and the angels). Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;... (I Corinthians 15:49-50)

Your quotes did not successfully answer my question.

Jesus said "flesh and bones", whereas the verses say "flesh and blood".

In our mortal soulish unresurrected body our life is in our blood.

In our immortal spiritual resurrection body our life is in Jesus; he who has the Son has life.

We will then bear the image of the heavenly, the man from heaven.

Grace and peace to you, myth-one.

But they were terrified and affrightened, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. (Luke 24:37-39)

Jesus had His disciples feel His flesh and bones to prove that He was a man, and not a spirit.

One cannot feel His blood.

Would you prefer that He also slit His wrist so they could feel His blood?

The verse in First Corinthians obviously states that a physical bodied man cannot inherit the Kingdom of God:

And as we have borne the image of the earthy (physical bodied mankind), we shall also bear the image of the heavenly (God and the angels). Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;... (I Corinthians 15:49-50)[/size]

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These New Testament verses do indeed plainly state that physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

You're grasping at straws.

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:5-7)

Man lives in a water, physical world.

If flesh and blood can inherit the Kingdom of God, there would be no reason for man to be born again of the Spirit to inherit the Kingdom of God!!!!