Where does the Bible mention 'free will'?

[Zzyzx]

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Does the term 'free will' come from the Bible?

[Mithrae]

[Replying to post 1 by Zzyzx]

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearc ... rsion=NKJV

[SallyF]

[Replying to post 1 by Zzyzx]

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearc ... rsion=NKJV

Followed that through

And then clicked on the "other versions" link

And lookee here

The idea of "freewill" - in true Christian fashion - can mean just whatever one CHOOSES it to mean !

Nonetheless, it's often the case when those who know what "God" REALLY meant when "God" put it into the minds of human males to write this stuff, that the chosen "freewill" word is preceded by the chosen "shall" word

Which cancels out the idea of free will.

And the Great Game of Pretend rolls on in a jumbled, contradictory, make-it-up-as-you-go-along mess, and we tell ourselves that "God" has it all under control.

Here is what everyone who know what "God" REALLY meant has to say about just one verse of "scripture"

Exodus 35:29

KJ21
The children of Israel brought a willing offering unto the Lord, every man and woman whose heart made them willing to bring for all manner of work, which the Lord had commanded to be made by the hand of Moses.
ASV
The children of Israel brought a freewill-offering unto Jehovah; every man and woman, whose heart made them willing to bring for all the work, which Jehovah had commanded to be made by Moses.
AMP
The Israelites, all the men and women whose heart moved them to bring material for all the work which the Lord had commanded through Moses to be done, brought a freewill (voluntary) offering to the Lord.
AMPC
The Israelites brought a freewill offering to the Lord, all men and women whose hearts made them willing and moved them to bring anything for any of the work which the Lord had commanded by Moses to be done.
BRG
The children of Israel brought a willing offering unto the Lord, every man and woman, whose heart made them willing to bring for all manner of work, which the Lord had commanded to be made by the hand of Moses.
CSB
So the Israelites brought a freewill offering to the Lord, all the men and women whose hearts prompted them to bring something for all the work that the Lord, through Moses, had commanded to be done.
CEB
All the Israelite men and women who were eager to contribute something for the work that the Lord had commanded Moses to do brought it as a spontaneous gift to the Lord.
CJB
Thus every man and woman of the people of Israel whose heart impelled him to contribute to any of the work Adonai had ordered through Moshe brought it to Adonai as a voluntary offering.
CEV
Moses had told the people what the Lord wanted them to do, and many of them decided to bring their gifts.
DARBY
The children of Israel brought a voluntary offering to Jehovah, every man and woman whose heart prompted them to bring for all manner of work, which Jehovah, by the hand of Moses, had commanded to be done.
DRA
All both men and women with devout mind offered gifts, that the works might be done which the Lord had commanded by the hand of Moses. All the children of Israel dedicated voluntary offerings to the Lord.
ERV
All the Israelites who wanted to help brought gifts to the Lord. They gave these gifts freely, because they wanted to. These gifts were used to make everything the Lord had commanded Moses and the people to make.
ESV
All the men and women, the people of Israel, whose heart moved them to bring anything for the work that the Lord had commanded by Moses to be done brought it as a freewill offering to the Lord.
ESVUK
All the men and women, the people of Israel, whose heart moved them to bring anything for the work that the Lord had commanded by Moses to be done brought it as a freewill offering to the Lord.
EXB
All the men and women of Israel -who wanted [Lwhose hearts were favorable] to help brought -gifts [La free will offering] to the Lord for all the work the Lord had commanded Moses and the people to do.
GNV
Every man and woman of the children of Israel, whose hearts moved them willingly to bring for all the work which the Lord had commanded them to make by the hand of Moses, brought a free offering unto the Lord.
GW
Every Israelite man and woman who was willing brought all these items to the Lord as a freewill offering. They brought these items to be used to make everything the Lord had commanded through Moses.
GNT
All the people of Israel who wanted to brought their offering to the Lord for the work which he had commanded Moses to do.
HCSB
So the Israelites brought a freewill offering to the Lord, all the men and women whose hearts prompted them to bring something for all the work that the Lord, through Moses, had commanded to be done.
ICB
All the men and women of Israel who wanted to help brought gifts to the Lord. They were used for all the work the Lord had commanded Moses and the people to do.
ISV
Each Israeli man and woman whose heart was prompted brought something as a freewill offering to the Lord for all the work that the Lord had commanded them to do through Moses.
JUB
Of the sons of Israel, men and women, all that had a willing heart to bring for all the work, which the Lord had commanded to be made by the hand of Moses, brought a voluntary offering unto the LORD.
KJV
The children of Israel brought a willing offering unto the Lord, every man and woman, whose heart made them willing to bring for all manner of work, which the Lord had commanded to be made by the hand of Moses.
AKJV
The children of Israel brought a willing offering unto the Lord, every man and woman, whose heart made them willing to bring for all manner of work, which the Lord had commanded to be made by the hand of Moses.
LEB
Every man and woman whose heart impelled them to bring for all the work to be done that Yahweh had commanded by the agency of Moses"the Israelites brought freely to Yahweh.
TLB
So the people of Israel"every man and woman who wanted to assist in the work given to them by the Lords command to Moses"brought their freewill offerings to him.
MSG
The leaders brought onyx and other precious stones for setting in the Ephod and the Breastpiece. They also brought spices and olive oil for lamp oil, anointing oil, and incense. Every man and woman in Israel whose heart moved them freely to bring something for the work that God through Moses had commanded them to make, brought it, a voluntary offering for God.
MEV
The children of Israel brought a willing offering to the Lord, every man and woman whose heart was willing to bring material for all the work which the Lord had commanded through Moses to be made.
NOG
Every Israelite man and woman who was willing brought all these items to Yahweh as a freewill offering. They brought these items to be used to make everything Yahweh had commanded through Moses.
NABRE
Every Israelite man and woman brought to the Lord such voluntary offerings as they thought best, for the various kinds of work which the Lord, through Moses, had commanded to be done.
NASB
The Israelites, all the men and women, whose heart moved them to bring material for all the work, which the Lord had commanded through Moses to be done, brought a freewill offering to the Lord.
NCV
All the men and women of Israel who wanted to help brought gifts to the Lord for all the work the Lord had commanded Moses and the people to do.
NET
The Israelites brought a freewill offering to the Lord, every man and woman whose heart was willing to bring materials for all the work that the Lord through Moses had commanded them to do.
NIRV
All the men and women of Israel who wanted to bring offerings to the Lord brought them to him. The offerings were for all the work the Lord had commanded Moses to tell them to do.
NIV
All the Israelite men and women who were willing brought to the Lord freewill offerings for all the work the Lord through Moses had commanded them to do.
NIVUK
All the Israelite men and women who were willing brought to the Lord freewill offerings for all the work the Lord through Moses had commanded them to do.
NKJV
The children of Israel brought a freewill offering to the Lord, all the men and women whose hearts were willing to bring material for all kinds of work which the Lord, by the hand of Moses, had commanded to be done.
NLV
The people of Israel who wanted to brought gifts to the Lord. Every man and woman, whose heart moved them, brought what the Lord had told them through Moses.
NLT
So the people of Israel"every man and woman who was eager to help in the work the Lord had given them through Moses"brought their gifts and gave them freely to the Lord.
NRSV
All the Israelite men and women whose hearts made them willing to bring anything for the work that the Lord had commanded by Moses to be done, brought it as a freewill offering to the Lord.
NRSVA
All the Israelite men and women whose hearts made them willing to bring anything for the work that the Lord had commanded by Moses to be done, brought it as a freewill-offering to the Lord.
NRSVACE
All the Israelite men and women whose hearts made them willing to bring anything for the work that the Lord had commanded by Moses to be done, brought it as a freewill-offering to the Lord.
NRSVCE
All the Israelite men and women whose hearts made them willing to bring anything for the work that the Lord had commanded by Moses to be done, brought it as a freewill offering to the Lord.
OJB
The Bnei Yisroel brought a nedavah unto Hashem, kol ish and isha, with nadav lev of them brought for kol hamelachah, which Hashem had commanded to be done through Moshe.
RSV
All the men and women, the people of Israel, whose heart moved them to bring anything for the work which the Lord had commanded by Moses to be done, brought it as their freewill offering to the Lord.
RSVCE
All the men and women, the people of Israel, whose heart moved them to bring anything for the work which the Lord had commanded by Moses to be done, brought it as their freewill offering to the Lord.
TLV
Every man and woman whose heart made them willing gave toward all the work that Adonai had commanded to be done by Moses hand. So Bnei-Yisrael brought it as a freewill offering to Adonai.
VOICE
All the Israelites, both men and women, who felt moved to provide the material needed to do this work, brought these offerings willingly and set them before the Eternal One exactly as He had instructed Moses.
WEB
The children of Israel brought a free will offering to Yahweh; every man and woman whose heart made them willing to bring for all the work, which Yahweh had commanded to be made by Moses.
WYC
All men and women offered gifts with devout soul(s), (so) that the works should be made, which the Lord commanded by the hand of Moses; all the sons of Israel hallowed willful things to the Lord (yea, all the Israelites willingly dedicated these things to the Lord).
YLT
every man and woman (whom their heart hath made willing to bring in for all the work which Jehovah commanded to be done by the hand of Moses) [of] the sons of Israel brought in a willing-offering to Jehovah.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 3 by SallyF]

You obviously didn't follow through, none of those verses say anything about man's freewill... except the opposite - or is that what you were getting at?

[Zzyzx]

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[Replying to post 1 by Zzyzx]

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearc ... rsion=NKJV

Nice try.

Notice that in the source you mention most of the passages cited refer to 'will' and 'free' separately, not one says anything about humans being given freewill by 'god' -- AND when the term is used, it typically refers to 'freewill offerings'

I had done a Google search, found similar reference, read carefully, and did not see any justification for the great emphasis placed of freewill (or free will).

[ttruscott]

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Does the term 'free will' come from the Bible?

It is not in the Bible in words but it is a logical necessity to fulfill what the Bible has explained as HIS purpose of a loving marriage.

Neither love nor marriage can arise from coercion but only from a free will acceptance of the proposal.

[Zzyzx]

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Does the term 'free will' come from the Bible?

It is not in the Bible in words

Thank you for the honesty. Who is authorized to add to the Bible?

but it is a logical necessity

It is only logical to those who accept and/or promote invented terminology and concepts as though they were authentic.

to fulfill what the Bible has explained as HIS purpose of a loving marriage.

Can the marriage proposal be ignored without penalty?

Or, according to Christian lore, a person required to make a choice? Is ignoring the offer regarded as default rejection?

Neither love nor marriage can arise from coercion but only from a free will acceptance of the proposal.

Kindly explain how Marry me or else . . . is anything other than coercion.

Explain also how Marry me any you will receive great rewards is anything other than a bribe or bride price.

What are terms describing those who marry for the benefits?

[JehovahsWitness]

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The expression can be found at

LEVITICUS 1:3 New King James Version

If his offering is a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish; he shall offer it of his own free will at the door of the tabernacle of meeting before the LORD.

DEUTERONOMY 12:6 - King James 2000 Bible

And there you shall bring your ... freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks...

* The NWT also speaks of God loving out of his own "free will" (Hos 14:4), and Philemon's "free will" (Phile 14)



The concept or the notion of FREE WILL is central to all of the themes in the bible and absolutely fundamental to scriptural truths.



JEHOVAH (YHWH)

REVELATION 4:11
because you created all things, and because of your will they came into existence and were created

MATTHEW 6:9, 10
Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place

JESUS

MARK 14:36 KJV

And He said, "Abba, Father, all things are possible for You. Take this cup away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will, but what You will"

ANGELS

JUDE 6

And the angels who did not keep their original position but ,forsook, their own proper dwelling place, he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day

HUMANS

JOHN 1:13 Weymouth New Testament

... begotten as such not by human descent, nor through an impulse of their own nature, nor through the will of a human father, but from God.

2 PETER 1:21 Good News Translation

For no prophetic message ever came just from the human will, but people were under the control of the Holy Spirit as they spoke the message that came from God.

DEUTERONOMY 30:19 NET Bible

... I have set life and death, blessing and curse, before you. Therefore choose life so that you and your descendants may live!

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[Mithrae]

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[Replying to post 1 by Zzyzx]

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearc ... rsion=NKJV

Nice try.

At least as nice as the OP, I'd say

Notice that in the source you mention most of the passages cited refer to 'will' and 'free' separately, not one says anything about humans being given freewill by 'god' -- AND when the term is used, it typically refers to 'freewill offerings'

Where else do you imagine free will came from, in the authors' opinions?

I had done a Google search, found similar reference, read carefully, and did not see any justification for the great emphasis placed of freewill (or free will).

Do you only believe things if they're painstakingly spelled out in the bible? How strange.

[ttruscott]

to fulfill what the Bible has explained as HIS purpose of a loving marriage.

Can the marriage proposal be ignored without penalty?

Thank you for this opportunity once again to explain my pov about these things...oft repeated is better remembered, eh?

What is unforgivable is putting one's faith ie, one's strongest (albeit unproven) hope in the idea that YHWH is NOT GOD and by claiming to be GOD is a liar and as the first liar in all creation, the most evil person in all creation. This rejection of HIM puts the person outside of HIS saving grace and makes impossible for GOD to change his mind because a free will decison is sacrosanct. Since he can't cure his own addiction to evil, his fate is set.

So the marriage is only available to those who accept HIM as their GOD and the Son as their saviour, in theory because when these choices were made, no one had sinned yet.

So, can a person who accepts the Deity of YHWH still reject a marriage with HIM? It seems to be an open possibility... By having faith in YHWH's deity, one became elect and if an elect person sins after election he is saved from all consequences of that sin by the death of Christ and his own rebirth and sanctification. Therefore if the rejection of the marriage is sinful, he will be brought to holiness which was promised as part of the package of accepting HIM as our GOD...if it is NOT a sin, then GOD would wait for a free will change of mind and he would enter the marriage at his decision to do so. Possible but highly unlikely; a sanctified person either by choice or by grace would have no reason to reject the marriage.

Or, according to Christian lore, a person required to make a choice? Is ignoring the offer regarded as default rejection?

Of course everyone had to choose by their free will to accept HIM as their GOD or to reject HIM. To know He was there and claiming Deity status and to not respond would be be a response in itself. But the choice was not a stand up and salute decison but a naturel coming to a realization of what one wants to be true as people talked about it and tried the different thoughts out with their friends etc...probably including a lot of vacillations until a final decision was finalized in everyone's mind and desires. It was an organic process, like we have now on earth when we hear about Christ, not a line up and be counted NOW! situation.

Neither love nor marriage can arise from coercion but only from a free will acceptance of the proposal.

Kindly explain how Marry me or else . . . is anything other than coercion.

A coerced decison is a forced decison that cannot be withstood no rejected. An influence is a suggestion, however strongly, that should be considered but which CAN BE withstood and rejected. A resistible coercion is NOT a coercion at all but is an influence. When I wrote that a true love and a true marriage cannot be coerced, this is the meaning of coercion I was using.

Yes GOD couched the decision as strongly as HE could to influence us to choose life but there was no coercion, that is, no one was forced by anything which they could not resist to choose HIM as evidenced by Satan's rebellion and our sinfulness.

The warning of the natural and legal consequences were not even a legal threat as NO proof was given of the truth of HIS claims to be able to banish anyone to hell and no proof was given as to the probability of the consequences being imposed. Therefore all talk about hell etc was a warning on the level of: There is a dangerous bridge out ahead and if you keep on this road you will end seriously hurt or dead. There is no safe way to proceed.

Explain also how Marry me any you will receive great rewards is anything other than a bribe or bride price.

Bribe: to persuade (someone) to act in one's favor, typically illegally or dishonestly, by a gift of money or other inducement. OR: You pay a bribe to get someone to do something they wouldn't do otherwise. It's usually dishonest and often criminal.

All definitions of bribe speak only of a criminal inducement to lure someone do something. There is no meaning of bribe that includes a legal quid pro quo agreement of mutual interest nor in a proper social contract which makes an offer of inducement, something designed to persuade or influence someone to do something. All such inducements and influences in this case could be resisted (as we know they were) because again, no proof was offered as to HIS ability to fulfill any of them, there was just HIS word. This is why the decision to believe HIM is called faith, an unproven hope.

Aslo, a bride price is paid to the Bride's father to replace the wealth her sons will accrue in their life which he loses to another man's family. It has no meaning here that I can see.

What are terms describing those who marry for the benefits?

I assume this is a sarcastic but veiled reference to the practice of 'gold digging' but 1. does any gold digger marry with NO PROOF of gain? NOPE! 2. Does any bride not look into what the proposed husband claims to bring to the union?? Nope, not one. 3. Do not ALL brides expect to be held dear, cherished and provided for to the best of their suitor's ability and hope that will be to the best? Yep, everyone.

So, explain without the innuendo please, what you think is wrong with GOD making claims about the kind of life HE promises to supply for HIS Bride?