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Christian-Sponsored Hatred for Gays

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Do you support Christian hatred for gays?

I was inspired to broach this topic after reading a column in the January 2020 issue of Scientific American. The column written by the editors is entitled Time's Up for "Anti-Gay Therapy." According to those editors:
Although medical and psychological associations have asked explicitly that Congress and state governments ban anti-gay conversion (by Christians), there has been a backlash from (Christian) groups like the Liberty Council, which promotes "evangelical values."
The column condemns the "detestable practice" of the attempt by many Christians to alter a person's homosexuality because the practice does "irreparable harm" to people. Forty-two percent of a subgroup who have had this "therapy" inflicted on them have committed suicide.

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[Replying to post 83 by brunumb]
brunumb wrote:How are those improper actions determined and by whom?


Improper actions (related to the topic) can be determined within two categories: health consequences and purpose.

Health consequences: It's no secret that improper sexual activities can and does cause several problems, such as: Bacterial STDs (chlamydia, gonorrhea, and syphilis). Viral STDs (HIV, genital herpes, genital warts and hepatitis B). Parasite and Parasite with a virus STDs (Trichomoniasis). And, the possibility of new strains of STDs, which could be just around the corner and may become untreatable! Thus, with so many different opportunities for health issues problems (which could be a matter of life or death), individuals must be properly educated on the best ways to avoid these harmful occurrences and abstinence is the main oneBecause, it is close to a medical fact that a male and female couple, who have only each other as a sexual partner and practice proper hygiene and usage, will not have to worry about the above diseases. But, ignore this reality and problems are sure to come. Hence, multiple heterosexual partners, male on male sex and bisexual activities or any combinations thereof, are at riskClearly, this is not speculation, but a fact and the statistics support this!

Purpose: The human body is a marvelous design and each body part has a certain function. I won't get into all the details, because my point should be clearTherefore, the main function of sexual relations is reproduction, where both male and female (sexual) body parts and their purposes are a necessity for the continuation of the human race. This is considered normal and required. It is also quite apparent that the human being has a digestive system and the purpose of this system is also well known. This is also considered normal. Hence, deviating from the natural usage of these body parts is clearly abnormal and is the reason for the consequences!

Additionally, who or what determines the reality of these two premises? Well, it's the facts of the presented information

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EarthScienceguy wrote: [Replying to post 106 by Menotu]
Do you have any data that states that they were abused in within the homosexual community and saw the dangers associated with the homosexual lifestyle?
It's easy to assume something about a lifestyle without living it, generally speaking (meaning I'm not saying you haven't lived that lifestyle). Even living close to a lifestyle, you can't fully understand it unless you live it. And even living it, you won't understand all aspects of it. That goes for anyone in any lifestyle, of course.

40 percent of gay men and 47 percent of bisexual men have experienced sexual violence other than rape, compared to 21 percent of heterosexual men

26 percent of gay men and 37 percent of bisexual men experience rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner, compared to 29 percent of heterosexual men

https://www.hrc.org/resources/sexual-as ... -community
Thanks for providing the info. Thankfully, I haven't known anyone to experience these items (at least not that they've told me, anyway).
Generally speaking, I could see this to be true, though, based on my experience, I'm doubtful these numbers carry throughout the entire community as there are specific groups that are 'in to' things like this. I wonder if this skewed the numbers? Something to think about I guess

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EarthScienceguy wrote:So this argument that you are making about increase persecution causing increased suicide rates and other issues just does not hold water when the research is examined.
Again, your logic is flawed. Gays may well experience relatively high rates of suicide due to their being abused even if other groups being abused do not experience such rates of suicide. The groups are different and are living under different circumstances.

The obvious thing to do is continue scientific research investigating suicide among homosexuals to determine why they may have a relatively high rate of suicide. You are opposed to such scientific research. I'm very sure your ant-gay, Christian beliefs are responsible for this opposition to the science that can save the lives of gay men.

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Jagella wrote: Do you support Christian hatred for gays?

I was inspired to broach this topic after reading a column in the January 2020 issue of Scientific American. The column written by the editors is entitled Time's Up for "Anti-Gay Therapy." According to those editors:
Although medical and psychological associations have asked explicitly that Congress and state governments ban anti-gay conversion (by Christians), there has been a backlash from (Christian) groups like the Liberty Council, which promotes "evangelical values."
The column condemns the "detestable practice" of the attempt by many Christians to alter a person's homosexuality because the practice does "irreparable harm" to people. Forty-two percent of a subgroup who have had this "therapy" inflicted on them have committed suicide.
You got to be kidding me, there is a war here... What we need to love each other??

I simply asked a guy at a BGLT bar I ended up at if he believed in Jesus, and if i could use normal pronouns, and they through me out of the bar... dude these people can be some of the most hateful people... they hate God

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And the war here isnt the fault of God... God isnt on trial. They just want God, and all things holy, to be on trial... but they are on trial... Flee from the wrath to come... if I sin show me my fault! Let me repent! Be ready to stand in account for every action and word you speak!

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Re: Christian-Sponsored Hatred for Gays

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Tart wrote:
I simply asked a guy at a BGLT bar I ended up at if he believed in Jesus, and if i could use normal pronouns, and they through me out of the bar... dude these people can be some of the most hateful people... they hate God
This is not exactly an extensive research project. You "ended up" at one bar, asked one guy two provocative questions and then drew a universal conclusion about all gays.

The conclusion I'd reach based on the research trip would be, "that guy didn't appreciate being asked questions intended to provoke."


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I ask everybody questions.., Im in the hunt... shoot Ive asked hundreds of people if they believe in Jesus, If they have faith, what they believe in, what is truth and knowledge... and I get all kinds of answers... and some people hate

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Tart wrote:
and some people hate
Yes, some people hate. Your earlier conclusion that, "dude these people can be some of the most hateful people... they hate God", is not supported by your single trip to one gay bar where you asked one guy two intentionally provocative questions.


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Im sorry but this conversation is dead... Im not going to defend myself with you, you dont know what you are talking about...

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Tart wrote: Im sorry but this conversation is dead... Im not going to defend myself...
You don't need to defend yourself. Your universal conclusion based on one absurdly limited experience is under examination, not you. It can't be defended. It is clearly invalid.


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