Are Christians losing or have lost the debate?

[Jagella]

Question for Debate Are Christians losing or have lost the debate with atheists?

Christianity is shrinking in developed nations including the USA. Creationism has lost almost every court battle it has waged against science. Intelligent Design's true agenda has been publicly exposed. The view that Jesus never existed is growing and more academics admit their doubts. The large majority of scientists are now atheists. The corruption in the Christian church is being exposed online and in the news. Christian apologists are becoming outraged as their arguments are shredded by atheists in online debates.

Think about all that as you answer the question for debate.

[SallyF]

...arguments are shredded by atheists in online debates.....

I have not seen that. Could you give one example of that?

Just check any of my threads.

Checking this sub-forum

Fewer and fewer Christians participate here

Fewer and fewer Christians start threads

Fewer and fewer Christians give direct answers to OPs in my view.

Absolutely NO Christians demonstrate here that their version of "God" is anything more than imaginary

Absolutely NO Christians demonstrate here that so much as a verse of Christian "scripture" emanated in any way from their version of "God"

Looks to me like losing and lost apply

[Jagella]

Looks to me like losing and lost apply

Thanks for an answer!

It's important for me to point out that my shredding of Christian apologetics (and your shredding) is not arrogance on my part because I'm not bragging. It's easy to refute Christian apologetics. I would no sooner boast of defeating a Christian in a debate than I would boast of stomping on a mouse.

Fewer and fewer Christians give direct answers to OPs in my view.

Absolutely NO Christians demonstrate here that their version of "God" is anything more than imaginary

Absolutely NO Christians demonstrate here that so much as a verse of Christian "scripture" emanated in any way from their version of "God"

None of this will change any Christian if they want their pie in the sky at all cost. If the debate gets too rough they will run and hide hoping that nobody notices.

Now, does anything I've said here make me angry or hateful? Only if telling the truth is anger and hate. Heck--anger and hatred have done wonders battling wrongdoing. What am I supposed to do? Be happy with wrongdoing and love it?

[Tcg]

None of this will change any Christian if they want their pie in the sky at all cost. If the debate gets too rough they will run and hide hoping that nobody notices.

The other tactic some Christians will use can be called, "Yeah, but God."

In an active thread in TD&D addressing belief in the story of Noah's Ark, a question came up concerning trees and their ability to survive floods. I did a quick google search and found that if all of a tree's foliage is submerged, in most cases, they won't survive even a month or so. According to the tale, the earth didn't dry up sufficiently for the occupants to leave for just over a year.

The response I got was that we'll just have to ask God about it once we get to heaven. I had in fact pointed out one of the many problems with a belief in a literal flood as described in Genesis. Did any Christians admit that this was a fatal flaw in the story? No. The reply was basically, "Yeah, but God."

Christians can never lose a debate, in their eyes, when they pull this trump card.

To address your OP, Christians lose many debates but refuse to accept this reality or admit it to others.


Tcg

[Jagella]

The response I got was that we'll just have to ask God about it once we get to heaven. I had in fact pointed out one of the many problems with a belief in a literal flood as described in Genesis. Did any Christians admit that this was a fatal flaw in the story? No. The reply was basically, "Yeah, but God."

Christians can never lose a debate, in their eyes, when they pull this trump card.

To counter this kind of apologetic, I play the same game. Since Christians just assume their god is real and assume they know what he's like making assertions with zero evidence, I do the same. For example, when my Dad used to blather on about God defeating Satan at the Battle of Armageddon, I'd ask what would happen if Satan won! My Dad would deny it could happen, but I'd say that Satan would defeat God. My Dad would become very angry with me.

[bjs]

As a general rule, those who are winning a debate dont need to keep trying to convince people that they are winning the debate.

[SallyF]

As a general rule, those who are winning a debate dont need to keep trying to convinced people that they are winning the debate.

As a general rule, those who avoid addressing certain debate questions don't need to keep trying to convince people that they haven't lost the debate.

Just the tiniest whiff that the biblical Jehovah/Yahweh was anything other than imaginary would make all this debate business fly away like Elisha's chariot.

[Zzyzx]

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Fewer and fewer Christians participate here
Fewer and fewer Christians start threads
Fewer and fewer Christians give direct answers to OPs in my view.
Absolutely NO Christians demonstrate here that their version of "God" is anything more than imaginary
Absolutely NO Christians demonstrate here that so much as a verse of Christian "scripture" emanated in any way from their version of "God"
Looks to me like losing and lost apply

It is not surprising that Christians fare poorly in debate on the level playing field of C&A sub-forum -- where they cannot use the Bible as 'proof of truth'. With that out of contention, all that is left is testimonials, opinion, conjecture, and 'belief'.

When the Bible is cited, its claims and stories have not be shown to be truthful or accurate

[Tcg]

[Replying to post 1 by Jagella]

Here's an interesting example where a theist relies on support from atheists to "win" a debate:

[Replying to post 23 by Divine Insight]

It's the only concept of morality that exists.

It doesn't exist mate. Your imaginary thoughts are not real.

Maybe some atheists can explain this to you. There are a few on this forum....

You'd think that if theists are winning the debate, as some here claim, they'd not need to rely on atheists for that claimed victory.


Tcg

[Jagella]

As a general rule, those who are winning a debate dont need to keep trying to convinced people that they are winning the debate.

If you're winning, then say so!

And if you're wondering why Christians are losing the debate, then look at what you just posted. It doesn't follow logically, and it's a red herring. Heck, it's not even written decently! "trying to convinced" Don't you bother to proof-read what you post?

[Tcg]

As a general rule, those who are winning a debate dont need to keep trying to convinced people that they are winning the debate.

If you're winning, then say so!

And if you're wondering why Christians are losing the debate, then look at what you just posted. It doesn't follow logically, and it's a red herring. Heck, it's not even written decently! "trying to convinced" Don't you bother to proof-read what you post?

What we find all too often is that some replies don't address the OP at all. They are nothing more than an expression of displeasure with the OP. Displeasure with the facts presented in a thread are not evidence that the facts presented are inaccurate.


Tcg