Indian Guru v Galilean Guru

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Are the reports of miracles of the Indian Guru Åšri Sathya Sai Baba more reliable, less reliable, equally reliable as the reported miracles of the Galilean Guru Jesus?

Miracles of Sathya Sai Baba and Miracles of Jesus

[Wootah]

Are the reports of miracles of the Indian Guru Åšri Sathya Sai Baba more reliable, less reliable, equally reliable as the reported miracles of the Galilean Guru Jesus?

Miracles of Sathya Sai Baba and Miracles of Jesus

I don't think it helps Hindus to have them believe a man such as this. You should be lucky you are in a Christian country free from such nonsense.

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Are the reports of miracles of the Indian Guru Åšri Sathya Sai Baba more reliable, less reliable, equally reliable as the reported miracles of the Galilean Guru Jesus?

Miracles of Sathya Sai Baba and Miracles of Jesus

Clearly the miracles of Sai Baba are more reliable. We have the testimony of thousands of contemporary eyewitnesses.

For Jesus, nobody who ever met Jesus EVER mentioned miracles.

Nobody who ever met anybody who ever met Jesus EVER mentioned miracles.

Nobody who ever met anybody who ever met anybody who met Jesus EVER mentioned miracles.

People started writing about miracles ELEVEN generations after Jesus was dead.

That is to say that the first person to certifiably write on paper that Jesus could do miracles was the great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandson of somebody who would have been alive when Jesus died.

Clearly the multiple corroborating eye witness testimony of thousands of followers of Sai Baba are more reliable.

If you're in the market for believing in magic tricks...

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Are the reports of miracles of the Indian Guru Åšri Sathya Sai Baba more reliable, less reliable, equally reliable as the reported miracles of the Galilean Guru Jesus?

Miracles of Sathya Sai Baba and Miracles of Jesus

I don't think it helps Hindus to have them believe a man such as this. You should be lucky you are in a Christian country free from such nonsense.

If you're referring to America, then by saying "Christian country" you misspoke.

America is constitutionally a secular country with freedom of religion entirely separate from the government.

If you are still confused, please check out our Constitution

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Are the reports of miracles of the Indian Guru Åšri Sathya Sai Baba more reliable, less reliable, equally reliable as the reported miracles of the Galilean Guru Jesus?

Miracles of Sathya Sai Baba and Miracles of Jesus

I don't think it helps Hindus to have them believe a man such as this. You should be lucky you are in a Christian country free from such nonsense.

Which of course begs the question why one is nonsense and the other not nonsense.

[As a point of personal trivia I live about four miles from Bhaktivedanta Manor (bought by George Harrison) where over 60,000 hindus descended over the weekend. Mind you they built a new road to divert the traffic a few years back so the festival is not the nusance for other road users and local people it used to be. But it is still best to avoid the A41].

[Wootah]

Which of course begs the question why one is nonsense and the other not nonsense.

Suggests the question. And the answer is the evidence of science and rationality we have today that came from the West and the fact that India today bootstrapped off the West and none of its success had anything to do with Hinduism and much of its strife, caste system and problems dealing with Islam are directly related to Hinduism.

[As a point of personal trivia I live about four miles from Bhaktivedanta Manor (bought by George Harrison) where over 60,000 hindus descended over the weekend. Mind you they built a new road to divert the traffic a few years back so the festival is not the nusance for other road users and local people it used to be. But it is still best to avoid the A41].

Cultural suicide.

[notachance]

Which of course begs the question why one is nonsense and the other not nonsense.

Suggests the question. And the answer is the evidence of science and rationality we have today that came from the West and the fact that India today bootstrapped off the West and none of its success had anything to do with Hinduism and much of its strife, caste system and problems dealing with Islam are directly related to Hinduism.

Wow, are you saying that socio-political and economic success of a nation is an indication of the TRUTH of the religious dogma that the government supports?

That is obviously absurd.

But if it weren't you'd be proving that secularism is the truth.
America is the first truly secular country in the history of the world, and it's the most powerful nation that ever existed.

By your logic, this demonstrates that freedom from religion is the key to success, and that therefore religion must of necessity be false.

Since at this point you must clearly see the absurdity of the logical extension of your argument, I'm assuming you will retract it.

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. And the answer is the evidence of science and rationality we have today that came from the West...

Your bias is showing. When the ‘west’ was deep in the dark ages, in 498CE, Indian mathematician and astronomer Aryabhata stated that "Sthanam sthanam dasa gunam" or place to place in ten times in value, which is the origin of the modern decimal-based place value notation.

The oldest known text to use a decimal place-value system, including a zero, is the Jain text from India entitled the Lokavibhâga, dated 458 AD. This text uses Sanskrit numeral words for the digits, with words such as the Sanskrit word for void for zero. The first known use of special glyphs for the decimal digits that includes the indubitable appearance of a symbol for the digit zero, a small circle, appears on a stone inscription found at the Chaturbhuja Temple at Gwalior in India, dated 876 AD.

IOW...the very foundation of western mathematics and thus scientific inquiry originated in India.

I have a t-shirt (bought in India) that hails Indians as being ‘good for nothing’.

....and the fact that India today bootstrapped off the West and none of its success had anything to do with Hinduism and much of its strife, caste system and problems dealing with Islam are directly related to Hinduism.

And the fact that the Buddhist emperor Asoka sent missionaries as far west as Athens 300 years before the supposed life of Christ seems to have been missed out here. Is it possible that the christian ideals of love originated in Buddhist thought. I sit possible that the claims of “I and the father are one’’ are misconstrued dualist interpretations of ancient Vedic philopsphy.

I agree...fundamentalist Hinduism has created many issues in dealing with Muslims in India. This has more in common with ‘nationalism’ than it does with the traditional Hindu philosophy of acceptance

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[As a point of personal trivia I live about four miles from Bhaktivedanta Manor (bought by George Harrison) where over 60,000 hindus descended over the weekend. Mind you they built a new road to divert the traffic a few years back so the festival is not the nusance for other road users and local people it used to be. But it is still best to avoid the A41].

Cultural suicide.

Or enrichement....

[Wootah]

Your bias is showing. When the ‘west’ was deep in the dark ages, in 498CE, Indian mathematician and astronomer Aryabhata stated that "Sthanam sthanam dasa gunam" or place to place in ten times in value, which is the origin of the modern decimal-based place value notation.

The oldest known text to use a decimal place-value system, including a zero, is the Jain text from India entitled the Lokavibhâga, dated 458 AD. This text uses Sanskrit numeral words for the digits, with words such as the Sanskrit word for void for zero. The first known use of special glyphs for the decimal digits that includes the indubitable appearance of a symbol for the digit zero, a small circle, appears on a stone inscription found at the Chaturbhuja Temple at Gwalior in India, dated 876 AD.

IOW...the very foundation of western mathematics and thus scientific inquiry originated in India.

I have always believed that random invention was possible in all cultures. What did the Indian/Hindu culture do with all this knowledge?

I have a t-shirt (bought in India) that hails Indians as being ‘good for nothing’.

I like it.

And the fact that the Buddhist emperor Asoka sent missionaries as far west as Athens 300 years before the supposed life of Christ seems to have been missed out here. Is it possible that the christian ideals of love originated in Buddhist thought. I sit possible that the claims of “I and the father are one’’ are misconstrued dualist interpretations of ancient Vedic philopsphy.

If we both agree there is a spiritual truth then where

I agree...fundamentalist Hinduism has created many issues in dealing with Muslims in India. This has more in common with ‘nationalism’ than it does with the traditional Hindu philosophy of acceptance

Accepting the bad is never good.

Or enrichement....

Buttered chicken is a yes.

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Are the reports of miracles of the Indian Guru Åšri Sathya Sai Baba more reliable, less reliable, equally reliable as the reported miracles of the Galilean Guru Jesus?

Miracles of Sathya Sai Baba and Miracles of Jesus

Clearly the miracles of Sai Baba are more reliable. We have the testimony of thousands of contemporary eyewitnesses.

For Jesus, nobody who ever met Jesus EVER mentioned miracles.

Nobody who ever met anybody who ever met Jesus EVER mentioned miracles.

Nobody who ever met anybody who ever met anybody who met Jesus EVER mentioned miracles.

People started writing about miracles ELEVEN generations after Jesus was dead.

That is to say that the first person to certifiably write on paper that Jesus could do miracles was the great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandson of somebody who would have been alive when Jesus died.

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Need some sources there bro.