True Messiah

[TheTruth101]

Copy and pasted from another thread.


This is going to be over your head in the beggining. And many members here as well.

The great serpeant or Satan is God (Yahweh) itself. The Angels are the ones that served the old God. (God Yahweh) old heavens and old earth etc. And new orders will be made. (as said in revelations)

Guess by who. The Messiah. Not Jesus, but the Holy Spirit.

Refer to this verse.

But we know where this man is from; when the Messiah comes, no one will know where he is from.

Gospel John 7:25-

At that point some of the people of Jerusalem began to ask, Isnt this the man they are trying to kill? 26 Here he is, speaking publicly, and they are not saying a word to him. Have the authorities really concluded that he is the Messiah? 27 But we know where this man is from; when the Messiah comes, no one will know where he is from.

28 Then Jesus, still teaching in the temple courts, cried out, Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from. I am not here on my own authority, but he who sent me is true. You do not know him, 29 but I know him because I am from him and he sent me.

You can see clearly here Jesus denying to be Christ. (All christians and the ignorant scholars made Jesus the messiah when he never claimed to be one)

Now, Jesus himself prophecised of the FINAL Apostle of God. The Messiah. (Which is the holy spirit)

John 14:17
New International Version (NIV)
17 And I will send you a helper which is the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him

Now compare the two verses. The upper verse states the people will not know the Messiah. The bottom scripture states the final prophet the holy spirit prophecised by Jesus, people will not know him.


DING! Holy Spirit is the Christ. Not Jesus.


Then, finally, we get the scripture

Blasphemy against the Father and the Son will be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

The reason being, he's the new God. The Messiah who will bring new orders.

So in all, this basically means that the Holy Spirit will eventually get the reign passed over from the old creator as the new creator of the universe. Then, the new creator (holy spirit/messiah) will destroy the old God for the lawlessness acts done to him, then they will be peace for all eternity on earth because new orders will be in place.

What really happened I think is, Constantine wholeheardedly believed Jesus to be the Christ, and in turn, tried desperately to fit the scriptures making Jesus the messiah. But as clearly shown here, he is not, he is the begotten son of God, and that is it.

That is why ultiemately bible gets out of line at times and the followers of the church are confused about the holy spirit when non believers poses questions regarding the current concept of the churches regarding the holy spirit.

Here is the raw deal. Holy spirit and the Christ have NOT come yet.

[Tex]

[Replying to post 1 by TheTruth101]


John 4
21 Jesus said to her, Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.

25 The woman said to Him, I know that Messiah is coming (who is called Christ). When He comes, He will tell us all things.

26 Jesus said to her, I who speak to you am He.

Truth 101, what do you make of this?

[TheTruth101]

[Replying to post 1 by TheTruth101]


John 4
21 Jesus said to her, Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.

25 The woman said to Him, I know that Messiah is coming (who is called Christ). When He comes, He will tell us all things.

26 Jesus said to her, I who speak to you am He.

Truth 101, what do you make of this?

That is why the Jewish priests (pharicees) accused him of blasphemy.
Because within their scripture, the "messiah" is NOT supposed to be known.
Also, I think for this very reason, they called him "demon possesed" since he was providing miracles however they knew where he was from.

It is another possiblity that there infact can be 2 "Messiahs", one that will rid of sins, and the other that will actually can humanity into heavens.

You must remember that just because one is rid of sins, it does not neccesaarilly mean one is accepted in heavens, within the scriptures, it can be very well established that if one is rid of sins, one is saved from hell, however, one can simply just perish, or know "nothing".


Thus the trinity represents three Gods as one. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

It is possible the Holy Spirit is the final messiah.

Just like it is said in the Bible in Revelations of the "two" prophets that can shut up the sky in the final days.

Also, The Son of Man, and One "like" the Son of Man is mentioned in mathews as the final prophets.

It can very well mean The Son of man (ofcourse Jesus) and one "like" the Son of man is in regards to the Holy Spirit, or the final Messiah.

[TheTruth101]

[Replying to post 1 by TheTruth101]


John 4
21 Jesus said to her, Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.

25 The woman said to Him, I know that Messiah is coming (who is called Christ). When He comes, He will tell us all things.

26 Jesus said to her, I who speak to you am He.

Truth 101, what do you make of this?

So Tex, I have done some more research to find scriptural support of "two" Messiahs and Zechariah mentions two Messiahs.

Here is suporting website.
http://www.jewsforjesus.org/publication ... urningking


It makes sense that there are two Messiahs. Bible in Revelations again suggests two prophets of God thatcan shut up the sky and also son of man and one "like" the son of man.


The Jeweish scholars still are confused of the passages spoken by zacahriah consisting of two messiahs, but the members of this forum now know the truth. There are 2 messiahs.

[JoeyKnothead]

From the OP:

This is going to be over your head in the beggining. And many members here as well.

Nothing like condescension the pique the interest.

The great serpeant or Satan is God (Yahweh) itself. The Angels are the ones that served the old God. (God Yahweh) old heavens and old earth etc. And new orders will be made. (as said in revelations)

I can claim I'm president. That doesn't mean I get the keys to Chair Force One.

Guess by who. The Messiah. Not Jesus, but the Holy Spirit.

None of which can be shown to ever have stepped them the first foot on the planet.

Refer to this verse.

Why should we just up and assume some text is accurate?

You can see clearly here Jesus denying to be Christ. (All christians and the ignorant scholars made Jesus the messiah when he never claimed to be one)

I caution against calling folks "ignorant", lest the observer conclude it's you who've come down with it.

Now, Jesus himself prophecised of the FINAL Apostle of God. The Messiah. (Which is the holy spirit)

So it is claimed, while you offer no confirmation Jesus even had vocal chords.

Now compare the two verses. The upper verse states the people will not know the Messiah. The bottom scripture states the final prophet the holy spirit prophecised by Jesus, people will not know him.

I compare 'em to your argument and that "ignorant" claim you put out up there, and begin to wonder if maybe "ignorant" ain't it the best descriptor for the condition of holding to some biblical belief just 'cause someone has a printer.

DING! Holy Spirit is the Christ. Not Jesus.

An assertion based on an assumption still sits there being assumptiony to beat the band.

Ding!

Then, finally, we get the scripture

We get it, with absolutely no argument to show it's an accurate reflection of reality.

The reason being, he's the new God. The Messiah who will bring new orders.

What god in the history of mankind ain't set out to offer him some "new orders" by way of some human swearing up and down he done did?

So in all, this basically means that the Holy Spirit will eventually get the reign passed over from the old creator as the new creator of the universe. Then, the new creator (holy spirit/messiah) will destroy the old God for the lawlessness acts done to him, then they will be peace for all eternity on earth because new orders will be in place.

Your argument here relies on the biblical notions there to be accurate - while you do nothing to show they are. Yours is, I contend, a purely theological argument, devoid of any rational reason to conclude any of it's any more important than the story of them three gruffy goats.

What really happened I think is, Constantine wholeheardedly believed Jesus to be the Christ, and in turn, tried desperately to fit the scriptures making Jesus the messiah. But as clearly shown here, he is not, he is the begotten son of God, and that is it.

I can wholeheartedly think I'm the Pope. That doesn't mean I get a funky car to ride around in.

That is why ultiemately bible gets out of line at times and the followers of the church are confused about the holy spirit when non believers poses questions regarding the current concept of the churches regarding the holy spirit.

'Cause it can't possibly be me who's all confused, oh heck no!

Here is the raw deal. Holy spirit and the Christ have NOT come yet.

Well don't that beat all, here at the end of it, we find agreement.

[TheTruth101]

[Replying to post 5 by JoeyKnothead]

We actually now know why the Revelations didn't come after Jesus was crucified.

There was a "mystery" all along that have been waved off by theologians for aong time before I decided to look into it.

The reason being ofcourse, the latter half didn't show yet. The final messiah.

Evidence is everywhere, the parables of mathews and revelations.


I once wondered what was the deal with mathews stating

Son of Man
One like the Son of Man


It's confirmed its speaking of two messiahs,

Jesus *son of man
Holy Spirit *one like the son of man

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[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 6:

We actually now know why the Revelations didn't come after Jesus was crucified.

I'm unaware of any confirmatory data that says this dude ever saw him a cross in the first place, lest I just accept biblical accounts 'cause, well, they're all biblical and all.

There was a "mystery" all along that have been waved off by theologians for aong time before I decided to look into it.

I dare say, if that was really a mystery, you'da not hadda qoutaterate it.

The reason being ofcourse, the latter half didn't show yet. The final messiah.

Evidence is everywhere, the parables of mathews and revelations.

Ah yes. Them good ol' parables, where what is said ain't really what it was was said.

I once wondered what was the deal with mathews stating

Son of Man
One like the Son of Man


It's confirmed its speaking of two messiahs,

Jesus *son of man
Holy Spirit *one like the son of man

And here I sit, I still wonder if you'll ever be capable of showing you know the mind of the ancients.

[TheTruth101]

This scripture here finalizes and confirms that there are TWO Messiahs.

John 14:17
New International Version (NIV)
17 And I will send you a helper which is the Spirit of truth. And he will teach you all things that I have said to you.The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him

Now, the verse is saying that the "helper, holy spirit will be a replicate of Jesus, hence he will REAPEAT what Jesus have said.

Son of Man *Jesus

One "LIKE" the Son of Man mentioned in Mathews is again, Holy Spirit. The final and closing Messiah. (Ofcourse LIKE meaning replicate)

[Logomachist]

What's the practical difference between an embodied Holy Spirit messiah and a returned Jesus messiah?