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Are Christians being targeted "for real?"

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Are Christians being targeted "for real?"

Do Christians endure being hated like no other group?

The Media's War on the "War on Christians" Conference
By Don Feder
FrontPageMagazine.com | March 31, 2006


Last week (March 27-28), Vision America convened a War On Christians conference in Washington, D.C. It was the first to address escalating attacks on Christians from Hollywood, the news media, academia, the courts, and activist groups like the ACLU and Anti-Defamation League.

Speakers included scholars, authors, clergy (among them an Orthodox rabbi), lawyers and members of Congress. Delegates came from as far away as South Africa. I was the conference coordinator, as well as a speaker on two panels ("Jews Confront the War On Christians" and "Hollywood: Christians Through a Distorted Lens").

You will be shocked shocked! to learn that the mainstream media did its best to trivialize and marginalize the conference: to present a thoughtful examination of the rising tide of anti-Christian bias and persecution as the work of hysterical, paranoid whack-jobs who are manufacturing a crisis to generate donations and mobilize Republican votes.

An alleged news story in The Washington Post, (March 29th) by Alan Cooperman, was headlined "War on Christians Is Alleged." Try to imagine the Post covering the 2005 conference Examining the Real Agenda of the Religious Far Right and headlining its story "Coming Theocracy Alleged."
Cooperman misidentified Dr. Rick Scarborough, president of Vision America (the conference host) as a "radio commentator." You know, one of those guys who screams at you over the airwaves. In fact, besides being the head of a growing national movement, Scarborough is a Baptist minister, an author and an acclaimed speaker.
Cooperman included extensive quotes attacking the conference SOP for reportage on conservative events. A professor of social ethics charged that the meeting was "a spoiled brat response by Christians who have always enjoyed the privileges of a majority position." A mainline Protestant cleric claimed that by calling attention to the war on Christians in the U.S., the conference "disrespects the experience of people who have been jailed and died because of their faith."
This theme dominated news "coverage" Christians are so powerful that its absurd to claim theyre persecuted. Thus, a commentary in USA Today (March 28th) by Tom Krattenmaker (who called the conferences theme "overblown" and reckless): "We are in the second term of the most faith-friendly, explicitly Christian presidency in many a decade.Hollywood is producing more Christian-friendly movies [like The DaVinci Code? DF] while Christian news media, Christian music, Christian novels and other forms of Christian pop culture continue making their strong mark on society." Im only surprised Krattenmaker didnt cite the presence of "In God We Trust" on our currency to refute claims of Christian persecution.
Apparently, a majority of Americans are equally hysterical, reckless and disrespectful of real persecution. According to a FOX News poll taken in December 2005, 59 percent of the American people agreed with conference organizers that "Christianity is under attack" in the U.S. today.

In reality, you have to be dogmatic, blind and biased which pretty much describes the mainstream media to miss the obvious here.

V for Vendetta is the most explicitly anti-Christian movie to date. Its set in a Britain, 20 years in the future, ruled by a murderous regime of Christian fanatics. (Would Warner Brothers distribute a film about Britain becoming an Islamic republic?) V for Vendetta was the number one box-office draw in its first week of release, and number two in its second, with a cumulative gross revenue of over $46 million.
The latest literary hatchet-job by Kevin Phillips (American Theocracy) claims our civilization will be undone by (among other things) a "milieu of radicalized (and much too influential) religion." With the faithful fighting to keep "One Nation Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance (and the teaching of Creationism recently banned by a federal judge lest students be inspired to meditate on the "G" word), Phillips charge that religion is much too influential in America should provoke peals of uproarious laughter. "American Theocracy" just made it on The New York Times Bestsellers list further evidence of the formidable power of radicalized religion.
In California, an employer can be fined $150,000 (thats not a typo) for firing a man who comes to work in a dress. Believe it or not, the law wasnt intended to target secular humanists.
Hewlett-Packard fired a Christian for posting near his cubicle a sign with Bible verses relating to the prohibition of men lying with men. This was in response to a celebrate sexual-diversity sign posted by the company. Hewlett-Packard does not celebrate diversity of opinion.
At colleges across the country, Christian groups have lost their accreditation for refusing to accept homosexuals as officers. Thus, at schools founded by Christians and endowed by Christians Christians are forced to choose between their conscience and the ability to hold meetings on campus.
In the New York City public school system, Moslem crescents and menorahs are displayed during certain holidays, but not Christmas trees or crches. Incredibly, school officials have decided that the former are non-religious (try telling that to bin Laden) but the latter strictly sectarian.
Recently, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors passed a unanimous resolution attacking the Catholic Church for teaching that children should be placed for adoption with mothers and fathers. The resolution called this "hateful and discriminatory."
Last weekend, the Christian youth group Teen Mania held a two-day revival for 25,000 kids in the city that inspired the moniker San Francisco Democrats. Supervisors labeled this "an act of provocation," while State Assemblyman Mark Leno called it a "fascist mega-pep rally."
Evangelicals have been described as "a clear and present danger to religious liberty in America" (former Labor Secretary Robert Reich), determined to "Christianize all aspects of American Life" (the ADLs Abraham Foxman), "moral retards" and "an ugly, violent lot" (City University of New York Professor Timothy Shortell), possessed of "the same kind of fundamentalist impulse that we see in Saudi Arabia" (Al Gore), and responsible for moving America "each day closer to a theocracy where a narrow and hateful brand of Christian fundamentalism will rule" (a full-page ad in The New York Times, signed by Jane Fonda, Ed Asner and other Hollywood savants).
And, in Philadelphia not quite two years ago, a group of Christians with Repent America were arrested for holding signs and quietly praying at a city-sponsored gay pride event. Though the Christians obeyed all police orders and were accosted by militants, they were arrested and spent 20 hours in jail. The City of Brotherly Love wanted to prosecute them for a laundry list of felonies, including criminal conspiracy. If convicted, they could have faced up to 47 years in prison. (Fortunately, a reality-based judge ruled the Christians were exercising their First Amendment rights and threw out the case.) No other group in America has seen its free-speech rights attacked in similar fashion.
Granted, the foregoing doesnt rise to the level of persecution in Afghanistan (where a man was threatened with death for converting to Christianity), Saudi Arabia (where the New Testament is contraband), or China (where the organizers of home churches are imprisoned). And, granted again, unlike Europe, Christianity is thriving in America.

But to say the presidency of George W. Bush proves the potency of conservative Christians is a real stretch.

Bushs rep as an "explicitly Christian" president is based mostly on the 2000 campaign, wherein he referred to Jesus as his favorite philosopher. Last year, White House "Christmas" cards didnt even mention by name the holiday celebrated by more than 90 percent of Americans. Bush invokes the Almighty no more than any of his predecessors.

Despite a GOP majority reputed to be the love-slaves of Jerry Falwell, its been almost two years since Congress voted a on a federal marriage amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Other than a ban on partial-birth abortion, the political agenda of Christian conservatives has been studiously ignored in our nations capital.

The news and entertainment media, public education, higher education, the judiciary and a fair number of corporations and foundations are in the hands of ideologues who despise Bible-believing Christians, and who rarely miss an opportunity to smear them, to foment hatred against them and to circumscribe their activities.

Give the National Socialists credit for candor. In 1920s Germany, if a Jew had said to a Nazi, "You hate me," the goose-steeper would have replied: "Youre right, Jew. And if we ever get a chance, well kill you." He would not have accused his victim of paranoia, hysteria, disrespecting real religious persecution, and making wild allegations for fundraising purposes.

The war on Christians is real. So too is the medias thoroughly biased coverage of same.

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Psalm 2:1-6
1Why are the nations in an uproar
And the peoples devising a vain thing?
2The kings of the earth take their stand
And the rulers take counsel together
Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,
3"Let us tear their fetters apart
And cast away their cords from us!"
4He who sits in the heavens laughs,
The Lord scoffs at them.
5Then He will speak to them in His anger
And terrify them in His fury, saying,
6"But as for Me, I have installed My King
Upon Zion, My holy mountain."

Personally, I think that Christians tend to be very thin skinned.
But if this is really true you should be happy.....You are fulfilling Bible Prophecy.

Matthew 24:9
9"Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.

2Timothy 3:12
12Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.
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If GOD gave us a conscience, doesn''t he expect us to obey?
If GOD expects us to obey, can we expect judgement and reward or punishment?

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Personally, I think that Christians tend to be very thin skinned.
But if this is really true you should be happy.....You are fulfilling Bible Prophecy.


It is fulfilling Bible prophecy. I am on the side of the Christian's persecuted. As long as the truth gets out, then other people can be saved.

Matthew 24:9
9"Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.


2Timothy 3:12
12Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.


Nothing can stop the truth. Why then since the truth can be seen so easily, would a person want to be on the side of those that persecute Christians?

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There were some in the early church that went to the authorities and begged to be killed.
I wonder if that is coming next.
1John2_26:
Nothing can stop the truth. Why then since the truth can be seen so easily, would a person want to be on the side of those that persecute Christians?
I think that only Christians like you are on the side of people that want to persecute Christians. As Nick pointed out your looking for it, you got it coming and it is part of your belief system. It is all in your mind except what you cause.
I think some of your ilks are suffering from "Sado-Masochism". Youre just not happy unless some one is in pain. Hell is a sadist wet dream created for Non-Christian as you define them.
I think your problem with extremist Moslems is that they are just like you.
You say peace poorly defined as a detachment from reality, but bring a sword to all that refuse to cave in to your unsupported dualistic God-complex and your rules as you, through your culturally conditioned bias, arbitrarily interpret them.
All you have manage to show is that there are other paranoids out there.

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There were some in the early church that went to the authorities and begged to be killed.
Soon it will be anyone that teaches that the human rectum is not a sex organ. The sperm is for ovem and ovum for sperm making sexuality only one way. It is clear that the day is now here where those immutable facts are now seen as a hate crime for believing the truth.
I wonder if that is coming next.
Same-sex marriage. Where have you been? Follow the Sodom-brick road.

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Nothing can stop the truth. Why then since the truth can be seen so easily, would a person want to be on the side of those that persecute Christians?
I think that only Christians like you are on the side of people that want to persecute Christians. As Nick pointed out your looking for it, you got it coming and it is part of your belief system. It is all in your mind except what you cause.
I believe THE LAWS put into place to support homosexuals and force complete obedience to their authority tends to counter your point of view. And Nick's.
I think some of your ilks are suffering from "Sado-Masochism".
Ilks? Ilk is already plural. Like sexuality. Same-sex sex is impossible.
Youre just not happy unless some one is in pain.
I have proven just the opposite. Especially anatomically. Eh-hum.
Hell is a sadist wet dream created for Non-Christian as you define them.


Depression is a glimpse that mankind is very aware that there is a hell.
I think your problem with extremist Moslems is that they are just like you.
Really? Have you read my posts? I do not want to kill anyone and in heaven we are neither married nor are given in marriage. We are like angels. According to Muslim prophet Isa (Jesus). Maybe God told Gabriel to tell Mohammad stuff that is wrong. I doubt iut though. But then again, I'm just a skeptic.
You say peace poorly defined as a detachment from reality, but bring a sword to all that refuse to cave in to your unsupported dualistic God-complex and your rules as you, through your culturally conditioned bias, arbitrarily interpret them.
The culture of science and logic. I went to secular schools. I read many secular books. Anatomy, biology, physiology . . .
All you have manage to show is that there are other paranoids out there.
The "entire" Gay Community or just the ones criminalizing Christians?

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1John2_26, I'm sorry but are you truly suggesting that as a North American Christian Male that you are the group being persecuted?

I don't want to get into dicussing the rest of your post because this sounds like untempered homophobic ranting to me.
I have heard it suggested that the vermently homophobic are often the ones still in the closet.

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It sure does not take you long to stick something into some ones rectum does it John.
I believe THE LAWS put into place to support homosexuals and force complete obedience to their authority tends to counter your point of view. And Nick's.
And here you are getting information out of someones rectum. Yours maybe?
Ilks? Ilk is already plural. Like sexuality. Same-sex sex is impossible.
Complain to MS Word checkers it missed it. If it was impossible then how and why do you keep complaining?

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1John2_26, I'm sorry but are you truly suggesting that as a North American Christian Male that you are the group being persecuted?

I don't want to get into dicussing the rest of your post because this sounds like untempered homophobic ranting to me.
I have heard it suggested that the vermently homophobic are often the ones still in the closet.
I think smashing chickens with large stones is something I do not want to do.

Am I a closeted animal cruelest? Am I sadophobic?

I have always found it interesting to try to scare away dissenters of the Gay Agenda by scaring them to think they may be what they find reprehensible.

Doesn't that make homosexuality reprehensible in the mind of the one using it to scare away any dissenters?

You may want to think through the way you terrifiy away dissenters of sexual perversion.

"Homophobia?" This word was just invented for a purposeful agenda.

Let me show you which:


Homophobia in the Church

The Lesbian and Gay Christian Fellowship has recently published a research report entitled Christian Homophobia.

It defines homophobia as an irrational hatred, disapproval, or fear of homosexuality, gay and lesbian people, and their culture and details a number of case studies which illustrate the following key findings:


Homophobia in the Church
.The Lesbian and Gay Christian Fellowship has recently published a research report entitled Christian Homophobia. It defines homophobia as an irrational hatred, disapproval, or fear of homosexuality, gay and lesbian people, and their culture and details a number of case studies which illustrate the following key findings:.

That the majority of homophobic abuse suffered by gay men and lesbians in the UK is supported by the words and actions of the Christian churches..
Read the rest here: http://www.royclements.co.uk/essays04.htm

Christians targeted.

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It sure does not take you long to stick something into some ones rectum does it John.
I believe you are wrong. It seems to take quite a bit of preparation. Unless of course you are talking about rape. Then I believe anatomy and physiology will once again, show the correctness of "not doing" unnatural sex. It certainly is no way "phobic" to "disapporove" of it.
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I believe THE LAWS put into place to support homosexuals and force complete obedience to their authority tends to counter your point of view. And Nick's.

And here you are getting information out of someones rectum. Yours maybe?
Trolling is not appropriate when discussing serious matters. The rectum is well discussed in many medical and scientific books. None of course classify it as a sex organ. Do the research (in the books) yourself.
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Ilks? Ilk is already plural. Like sexuality. Same-sex sex is impossible.

Complain to MS Word checkers it missed it. If it was impossible then how and why do you keep complaining?
Chill out. Ilk is a overused word anyway. Since your side invented a new word to criminalize Christianity you can work on "ilk" as a way of associating a group of people that think honesty and accurate words are good.

I prefer to call them Christians.

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Chill out. Ilk is a overused word anyway. Since your side invented a new word to criminalize Christianity you can work on "ilk" as a way of associating a group of people that think honesty and accurate words are good.

I prefer to call them Christians.
Wow second time that I've seen the word ilk used on these forums and you pounce on it both times as if the word itself is evil. By the way homosexuals didn't invent the term homophobia, psychologists did. Homophobia is no more criminalizing than say arachnophobia is towards spiders. You really should look into getting a dictionary.

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