Armageddon is over and Satan has won ! What happens now ?

Regens KÃ¼chl · Post by **Regens KÃ¼chl** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:42 pm

Imagine this: Satan and the Antichrist, against all expectations, have triumphed over the Abrahamitic god, Jesus and the Holy Spirit in the last Battle of Armageddon

Our Trinity is not neccessarily dead, but ruined and toppled from its place of Power.

How do the Abrahamitic god, Jesus and the Holy Spirit feel now, that the unthinkable happened?

What will Satan and the Antichrist do now that their greatest triumph is accomplished?

What will their minions do and what will the other humans still on earth do?

What will the surviving angels and demons do?

And what happens to the "true christians" that descended to heaven on the first day of tribulation? Will they be kicked out now that evil has won?

Raptured Spleen · Post by **Raptured Spleen** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 3:29 pm

McCulloch wrote: ...Take, for example, two beings, one with an enemy that takes 50 years to vanquish and another with an enemy who is vanquished in a nanosecond. Which is the greater being, if that was the only difference between them?

Might this be more a question of the strengths and weaknesses of the enemies, than of the levels of greatness held by the beings who conquered them?

Raptured Spleen · Post by **Raptured Spleen** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 3:48 pm

I mean: that it took 50 years for X-being to vanquish W-enemy, while Z-being crushed Y-enemy in a nanosecond, doesn't necessarily provide any insight as to how long it would have taken for Z-being to wipe out W-enemy...

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 6:46 pm

Goat wrote:
Wootah wrote:Both great posts that touch on mercy perfectly. You can recognise that God should defeat his enemies but doesn't.
And in doing so, causes so much more misery for everyone else. So much for mercy

Huh?

Goat · Post by **Goat** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:36 pm

Wootah wrote:
Goat wrote:
Wootah wrote:Both great posts that touch on mercy perfectly. You can recognise that God should defeat his enemies but doesn't.
And in doing so, causes so much more misery for everyone else. So much for mercy
Huh?

According to many Christians, Satan is the source of much misery.

Because God refuses to stop that, yet alledgedly has the power to, and God also made Satan, then God's mercy to Satan is the cause of much misery to humanity

btj92 · Post by **btj92** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:43 pm

Satan is the source of some misery but not all misery. We as humans are finite beings much like Satan who are capable of rebellion and thus we cause ourselves misery as well.

Raptured Spleen · Post by **Raptured Spleen** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:48 pm

Wootah wrote: Huh?

Just one of many EG's, but try to imagine how much misery could have been averted, had your God not exercised HIS mercy on Hitler for quite so long.

Goat · Post by **Goat** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:49 pm

btj92 wrote:Satan is the source of some misery but not all misery. We as humans are finite beings much like Satan who are capable of rebellion and thus we cause ourselves misery as well.

Yet, if any misery is caused by Satan, and God had the ability to stop that, and didn't.. then... that misery can be attributed to God, through his creation of Satan..

If you accept the concept of God and Satan that is

Raptured Spleen · Post by **Raptured Spleen** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:07 pm

And when allowing one man to exercise his own 'free will' becomes synonymous with a tacit allowance of genocide (I.E. the forced suppression of the free wills of millions of people), one wonders as to the justness (to say nothing of the mercifulness) of any God who'd allow such things to transpire in the first place.

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:26 pm

Goat wrote:According to many Christians, Satan is the source of much misery.

Because God refuses to stop that, yet alledgedly has the power to, and God also made Satan, then God's mercy to Satan is the cause of much misery to humanity

The wages of sin is death. We should have been stopped at the first sin and the misery began there. The misery is a direct consequence of God cursing man after the fall.

'Aha God is evil!!'

Actually since God should have given us death then and there, the curse was merciful. We all have the chance to choose life or death today as a result.

JoeyKnothead · Post by **JoeyKnothead** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:53 pm

From Post 18:

Wootah wrote: The wages of sin is death. We should have been stopped at the first sin and the misery began there.

"Y'all don't do that which I've given you no comprehension of, or I'ma gonna kill ya right then and there."

"Well dangititall if ya didn't go ahead and do it."

"That's fine, I'll just punish each and every dadgum one of you're decendents about it."

Wootah wrote: The misery is a direct consequence of God cursing man after the fall.

The "misery" is that this being of proposed omniscience and "love" would punish to the nth generation the stuff the first'n there fouled up on.

Wootah wrote: 'Aha God is evil!!'

I propose we can't figure that'n out, but we can lay significant odds on that god's worshipers doing a bunch of it themselves.

Wootah wrote: Actually since God should have given us death then and there, the curse was merciful.

I pity this statement.

Wootah wrote: We all have the chance to choose life or death today as a result.

While the contention may be supportable in its presented form, I challenge anyone to show such choice is the result of a god offering it up.