Jesus is God - the tabernacle

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Jesus is God - the tabernacle

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In Exodus

God rescues the people.

God leads them out of Egypt

Moses talks to God on a mountain.

God agrees to dwell with the people and live in a tent, the tabernacle in the middle of Israel.

This sets up the idea that God used a tent and embodied that tent in the old testament as a way of relating to his people.

Then in the new testament, we are told Jesus tabernacled with us
John 1:14 ERV And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth.

You can see the greek and other translations here

https://biblehub.com/john/1-14.htm#lexicon
https://biblehub.com/john/1-14.htm

When we get to the greek word for dwelt among us they use the word here, to dwell as a tent
made His dwelling
ἐσκήνωσεν (eskēnōsen)
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's 4637: To dwell as in a tent, encamp, have my tabernacle. From skenos; to tent or encamp, i.e. to occupy or, to reside.
This seems a very deliberate phrasing connecting Jesus to the Tabernacle where God dwells. Just like the Tabernacle is God among his people, so too Jesus is God among his people and this time God does not come and go but stays.

Jesus is God.

Yes/No? Why?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Wootah wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 7:10 am
1213 wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 6:28 am
Wootah wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:08 pm ...
But this link shows other times that word is used and it is basically all about God dwelling with man.
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Bible tells God dwells in Jesus, and Jesus is a man, it can be said God is dwelling with man.

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:10

One God. Trinitarian passage.

How is Jesus in the Father in any other way that is not blasphemy?

These verses simply indicate that all three beings are one in agreement and purpose. Remember that Satan and other angels under his control rebelled against God.

But the Son of God and the Holy Spirit never questioned God the Father's authority. Therefore, all three are in agreement as one being as to their plans and goals. That is, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one in agreement and purpose. Thus they are as one being.

Their plan in regards to the earth is to bring it back into the Kingdom of Heaven and provide a path for mankind to inherit everlasting spiritual bodied life as members of the Kingdom of God on the earth.

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John 14:9 Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.
Again that is blasphemy out of any creatures lips that is not God.

Your story is ignoring the facts.
Deuteronomy: 4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
God is unequal, unparalleled, uncreated, holy, righteous. But you think a lesser, created thing is in him?
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Wootah wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 4:32 pm
John 14:9 Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.
Again that is blasphemy out of any creatures lips that is not God.

Your story is ignoring the facts.
Deuteronomy: 4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
God is unequal, unparalleled, uncreated, holy, righteous. But you think a lesser, created thing is in him?
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (I John 5:7)

How is claiming that the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost bearing the same record, or agreeing to the same plan or purpose, committing blasphemy? :confused2:

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myth-one.com wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 5:55 pm
Wootah wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 4:32 pm
John 14:9 Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.
Again that is blasphemy out of any creatures lips that is not God.

Your story is ignoring the facts.
Deuteronomy: 4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
God is unequal, unparalleled, uncreated, holy, righteous. But you think a lesser, created thing is in him?
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (I John 5:7)

How is claiming that the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost bearing the same record, or agreeing to the same plan or purpose, committing blasphemy? :confused2:
If you say Jesus is not God that statement is blasphemy. Just like saying 'Wootah and God are one'.

Right?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Wootah wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 6:40 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 5:55 pm
Wootah wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 4:32 pm
John 14:9 Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.
Again that is blasphemy out of any creatures lips that is not God.

Your story is ignoring the facts.
Deuteronomy: 4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
God is unequal, unparalleled, uncreated, holy, righteous. But you think a lesser, created thing is in him?
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (I John 5:7)

How is claiming that the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost bearing the same record, or agreeing to the same plan or purpose, committing blasphemy? :confused2:
If you say Jesus is not God that statement is blasphemy. Just like saying 'Wootah and God are one'.

Right?

No, you have it reversed! If Jesus said that He is God, that statement would be blasphemy, because in the scriptures blasphemy is a human assuming the rights or qualities of God:

And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee. And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone? (Luke 5:20-21)

Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. (John 10:31-33)


So if I say that Jesus is not God, that is a factual statement according to the Bible:

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


Jesus was a man, but God is a Spirit:

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Only a man could fulfill the mission assigned to Jesus Christ!!

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Wootah wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:20 pm

Yes/No? Why?
Jesus is not God because God is one and His Father is the only true God.

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meshak2 wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:40 pm
Wootah wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:20 pm

Yes/No? Why?
Jesus is not God because God is one and His Father is the only true God.
You should read this thread you posted in. It's eye opening.
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[Replying to myth-one.com in post #15]

If Jesus is a man, then how is he in the Father or is one with the Father? That is blasphemy.

'Wootah is one with God and is in God and is equal to God.'

Is my statement blasphemy to you?
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[Replying to myth-one.com in post #15]

Aside - the Jews are stoning Jesus because the Jews know Jesus is claiming to be God.

What do you think that text means?
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Wootah wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 7:10 am
1213 wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2023 6:28 am Bible tells God dwells in Jesus, and Jesus is a man, it can be said God is dwelling with man.

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:10
One God. Trinitarian passage.

How is Jesus in the Father in any other way that is not blasphemy?
Sorry, I am not sure what do you mean. Do you think that scripture speaks about Trinity? I don't think it does so.

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