The Gay Denomination?

[99percentatheism]

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

[Clownboat]

Clownboat

Your brand of Christianity will die out as soon as the youth of today gain a few more years.

I have experience that this is a pipe dream of only a segment of society. But is that haughtiness I see in your words?

I'm with KCKID on this one.

There is no doubt about that.

Where did the pro slavery people go?

They were defeated by the Christian abolitionist movement and the second amendment of the United States Constitution. But slavery is very much alive and well on this planet still and the Christians are still engaged in stopping it. Where are the hands and voices of the secularists?

Where did the people against mixed marriages go?

Mixed marriages? At least for now, humans cannot "legally" marry animals of another species. At least not in the USA.

But trotting out a dead horse won't win you any race:

So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abrahams seed, and heirs according to the promise.

- Galatians 3

Now is the time for the anti gays to start disappearing into history.

Nero (with his male brides * ) couldn't wipe them out. The pro gays won't either. In fact with the rise of the gay pride movement, and the reality of its nature, the impact on the Christian mission of reaching out to sinners in a fallen world will only have more and more of that reality to ensure its growth. The Church grew under the dominance of Roman licentiousness. What we face today isn't any more powerful.

You will claim that as confirmation that your fight is just and that the persecution has been foretold.

Trying the "head them off at the pass" routine does not do away with the fact that The Church is being hated for what it has always been hated for.

. . . they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.

For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do"living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.

They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you. But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

- 1 Peter 4

But secular power has limited power and influence as can be seen by The Church still being around even today, when it is very much under durress in the west and the middle east and the far east.

How many liberals and secular progressives are under arrest for preaching humansim?

Just like the pro slavery and mixed marriage people did I'm sure.

Read Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address for the answer to African slavery and what stopped it.

Here allow me:

One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other.

It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh."

If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him?

Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away.

Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."

- http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres32.html

Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.

Why do I feel sure? Because my church told us that if we are not being persecuted, we are not being good Christians.

It wasn't "The Church" that said that it. Here let me help you again:

If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.

That is why the world hates you.

Remember what I told you: A servant is not greater than his master.If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also."

- Jesus

Gospel of John 15:18-20

So many churches seem to preach that persecution is to be expected.

Buck the world ands its ways and you get called hateful, bigoted, phobic, yada, yada, yada. Notice that the gay pride thing is championed by the world and its ways?

Well duh, teach hatefulness and you can expect persecution, but they will see that persecution as evidence of doing a gods work.

The historian Tacitus regarded Christianity as a pernicious superstition; Suetonius described it as novel and mischievous; Pliny the Younger as depraved and extravagant. Tacitus went as far as calling the Christians enemies of mankind. Therefore it is not surprising that ordinary people attributed to Christians all sorts of monstrosities such as infanticide and cannibalism, etc. According to Tertullian, Christians to the lions became the obligatory catch-cry of every riot.

- http://www.earlychristians.org/expansio ... ion_3.html

How many Apostles died of old age?

1

And even he was imprisoned on an Island for - like the other Apostles - no other crime (?) than preaching repentence and forgiveness of/fron sin, salvation in Christ, "membership" in the Church.

The more things change, the more they stay the same?

Isn't that how it goes?

Or is it: There is nothing new under the sun?

Thank you for the time to interact with you.




*

Marriage between males was not uncommon in ancient Rome; there are many references to it, in fact, and none of them are favorable, such as Lucians strange science fiction story about gay marriage on the Moon, described as an unusual custom (Lucian, True History 1.22). However, the most scandalous of these reports seem to be those involving the Emperor Nero, who participated in wedding ceremonies with men on at least three different occasions. The first, to Sporus:

[Nero] had a boy named Sporus castrated and tried to transform him into an actual woman; he married him in a regular wedding ceremony, with a dowry and a bridal veil, took him home in front of a great crowd, and treated him as his wife. A witty remark that someone made about this is still circulating: that human kind would have been well off, if his father Domitius had had the same kind of wife (Suetonius, Nero 28-29).


The second, to Doryphorus, in which Nero was the bride:

he invented a new kind of game (so to speak) in which, dressed in the skin of a wild animal, he was released from a cage and attacked the private parts of men and women who were bound to stakes and, when he had had enough of this savagery, he was finished off (as it were) by his freedman Doryphorus. This Doryphorus he took as his husband, just as Sporus had with him, and in doing so he imitated the cries and wailing of a virgin who is being raped (Suetonius, Nero 28-29).


And the third, to Pythagoras, in which he was also the bride:

A veil was placed over the emperor, the interpreters of the auspices were sent; a dowry, a wedding bed and marriage torches -- in the end, everything that is concealed by night even in the case of a woman was on display (Tacitus, Ann. 15.37).

- http://www.studentpulse.com/articles/19 ... ve-we-come

Blah blah blah blah blah.....

Learn your history, or you will be doomed to repeat it. IMO, this has nothing to do with religion, you are just using religion as your weapon as I explained in previous posts. Hate in humans seem to be a common thing, so I am not saying it is just the religious that have this hate. Think about some rival football teams. That very well could be an avenue to hate on some fellow humans in a (usually) fairly harmless way.

IMO, you and your kind, will die out and and will be replaced by a different group of haters that hate something else and they will also use religious doctrine to wield their hate.

These religious persecution campaigns seems to be a common cycle throughout history.
- Persecution of religions by other religions.
- Witch burnings.
- Using examples of slavery in the Bible to justify it in their own time.
- Mixed racial marriages.
- Homosexuality.
- The next item on the list.

Thus history comforts me in knowing that you and your kind will eventually be gone, but it still bothers me that so many humans must suffer before that time.

[99percentatheism]

Clownboat

Your brand of Christianity will die out as soon as the youth of today gain a few more years.

I have experience that this is a pipe dream of only a segment of society. But is that haughtiness I see in your words?

I'm with KCKID on this one.

There is no doubt about that.

Where did the pro slavery people go?

They were defeated by the Christian abolitionist movement and the second amendment of the United States Constitution. But slavery is very much alive and well on this planet still and the Christians are still engaged in stopping it. Where are the hands and voices of the secularists?

Where did the people against mixed marriages go?

Mixed marriages? At least for now, humans cannot "legally" marry animals of another species. At least not in the USA.

But trotting out a dead horse won't win you any race:

So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abrahams seed, and heirs according to the promise.

- Galatians 3

Now is the time for the anti gays to start disappearing into history.

Nero (with his male brides * ) couldn't wipe them out. The pro gays won't either. In fact with the rise of the gay pride movement, and the reality of its nature, the impact on the Christian mission of reaching out to sinners in a fallen world will only have more and more of that reality to ensure its growth. The Church grew under the dominance of Roman licentiousness. What we face today isn't any more powerful.

You will claim that as confirmation that your fight is just and that the persecution has been foretold.

Trying the "head them off at the pass" routine does not do away with the fact that The Church is being hated for what it has always been hated for.

. . . they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.

For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do"living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.

They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you. But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

- 1 Peter 4

But secular power has limited power and influence as can be seen by The Church still being around even today, when it is very much under durress in the west and the middle east and the far east.

How many liberals and secular progressives are under arrest for preaching humansim?

Just like the pro slavery and mixed marriage people did I'm sure.

Read Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address for the answer to African slavery and what stopped it.

Here allow me:

One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other.

It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh."

If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him?

Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away.

Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."

- http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres32.html

Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.

Why do I feel sure? Because my church told us that if we are not being persecuted, we are not being good Christians.

It wasn't "The Church" that said that it. Here let me help you again:

If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.

That is why the world hates you.

Remember what I told you: A servant is not greater than his master.If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also."

- Jesus

Gospel of John 15:18-20

So many churches seem to preach that persecution is to be expected.

Buck the world ands its ways and you get called hateful, bigoted, phobic, yada, yada, yada. Notice that the gay pride thing is championed by the world and its ways?

Well duh, teach hatefulness and you can expect persecution, but they will see that persecution as evidence of doing a gods work.

The historian Tacitus regarded Christianity as a pernicious superstition; Suetonius described it as novel and mischievous; Pliny the Younger as depraved and extravagant. Tacitus went as far as calling the Christians enemies of mankind. Therefore it is not surprising that ordinary people attributed to Christians all sorts of monstrosities such as infanticide and cannibalism, etc. According to Tertullian, Christians to the lions became the obligatory catch-cry of every riot.

- http://www.earlychristians.org/expansio ... ion_3.html

How many Apostles died of old age?

1

And even he was imprisoned on an Island for - like the other Apostles - no other crime (?) than preaching repentence and forgiveness of/fron sin, salvation in Christ, "membership" in the Church.

The more things change, the more they stay the same?

Isn't that how it goes?

Or is it: There is nothing new under the sun?

Thank you for the time to interact with you.




*

Marriage between males was not uncommon in ancient Rome; there are many references to it, in fact, and none of them are favorable, such as Lucians strange science fiction story about gay marriage on the Moon, described as an unusual custom (Lucian, True History 1.22). However, the most scandalous of these reports seem to be those involving the Emperor Nero, who participated in wedding ceremonies with men on at least three different occasions. The first, to Sporus:

[Nero] had a boy named Sporus castrated and tried to transform him into an actual woman; he married him in a regular wedding ceremony, with a dowry and a bridal veil, took him home in front of a great crowd, and treated him as his wife. A witty remark that someone made about this is still circulating: that human kind would have been well off, if his father Domitius had had the same kind of wife (Suetonius, Nero 28-29).


The second, to Doryphorus, in which Nero was the bride:

he invented a new kind of game (so to speak) in which, dressed in the skin of a wild animal, he was released from a cage and attacked the private parts of men and women who were bound to stakes and, when he had had enough of this savagery, he was finished off (as it were) by his freedman Doryphorus. This Doryphorus he took as his husband, just as Sporus had with him, and in doing so he imitated the cries and wailing of a virgin who is being raped (Suetonius, Nero 28-29).


And the third, to Pythagoras, in which he was also the bride:

A veil was placed over the emperor, the interpreters of the auspices were sent; a dowry, a wedding bed and marriage torches -- in the end, everything that is concealed by night even in the case of a woman was on display (Tacitus, Ann. 15.37).

- http://www.studentpulse.com/articles/19 ... ve-we-come

Blah blah blah blah blah.....

Learn your history, or you will be doomed to repeat it. IMO, this has nothing to do with religion, you are just using religion as your weapon as I explained in previous posts. Hate in humans seem to be a common thing, so I am not saying it is just the religious that have this hate. Think about some rival football teams. That very well could be an avenue to hate on some fellow humans in a (usually) fairly harmless way.

IMO, you and your kind, will die out and and will be replaced by a different group of haters that hate something else and they will also use religious doctrine to wield their hate.

These religious persecution campaigns seems to be a common cycle throughout history.
- Persecution of religions by other religions.
- Witch burnings.
- Using examples of slavery in the Bible to justify it in their own time.
- Mixed racial marriages.
- Homosexuality.
- The next item on the list.

Thus history comforts me in knowing that you and your kind will eventually be gone, but it still bothers me that so many humans must suffer before that time.

Look who is wrapping themselves up in the warm and comfy coat of persecution.

You have to be totally dismissive because the facts I presented expose the reality of decadence and licentiousness and its rise to power and its fall from grace.

YOU fail to recognize that is is the secular world that developed laws and repulsed homosexuality. And that after it had its heyday of populariityIn Rome and Ancient Greece, - DENS OF HOMOSEXUAL LICENTIOUSNESS . . . - there were still laws against the behavior. Roman marriage was matrimonium. Man and woman. Before, Christian political influence over the populace.

As you and yours grow in power, so what? The French revolutionaries, The anti-Church "secularists," were defeated and driven back into the underground after they took control and political power over the populace. And that was most recent history-wise.

It is a choice to indulge in lasciviousness. A choice to suport it and enciurage it. No matter the excuses to justify that to the contrary.

The historic record shows that the unrestrained taking control and influence among the populace. The pendulum is well greased and is being cranked up again. Hostory has shown that sexual degeneracy rises and and is repulsed over and over again.

Now, who is it that is forgetting history and repeating its darkest hours?

Certainly not the Christians that are living and preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ. You call that effort evangelism. History speaking that is.

History is no enemy to the Church. And it is the warmest of friends to the Gospel.

[KCKID]

It's taken me a while to get around to asking this question but ... how are those who have a natural predisposition towards others of the same gender attacking "Bible believing" Christians? What is it, precisely, that they are doing wrong that has evoked such ire from you? This question has probably been asked previously, and perhaps even been answered, but could you answer the question with a concise and brief response without lots of additional - and none relevant - padding? We seem to have reached the point in this debate where we can't seem to see the forest for the trees.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 1705:

It's taken me a while to get around to asking this question but ... how are those who have a natural predisposition towards others of the same gender attacking "Bible believing" Christians? What is it, precisely, that they are doing wrong that has evoked such ire from you? This question has probably been asked previously, and perhaps even been answered, but could you answer the question with a concise and brief response without lots of additional - and none relevant - padding?

They ain't agreeing, and such a condition is intolerable to one who invests so much emotional energy in their god concept.

We seem to have reached the point in this debate where we can't seem to see the forest for the trees.

We can't see the human for the book.

[99percentatheism]

KCKID

In light of today's highly charged "political correctness" dominating our secular, political and judicial cultures . . . how does a person (a Christian person) remain totally and solidly and unmovably commited to opposition of an adversary and do thst politely?

And please, feel free to quote the New Testament.

[KCKID]

KCKID

In light of today's highly charged "political correctness" dominating our secular, political and judicial cultures . . . how does a person (a Christian person) remain totally and solidly and unmovably commited to opposition of an adversary and do thst politely?

But, my point is ...why should someone who is involved privately and sexually with another consenting adult be an adversary to a 'Christian person' to begin with? What does what one does sexually with another consenting adult have to do with 'Christianity' per se? I mean, what spiritual qualifications are required - whether one be gay or straight - to sit in a church pew every week mouthing songs, saying a few prayers and listening to generally regurgitated sermons and doing damn-all else? Other than having an air of superiority and giving the appearance of 'being righteous' that's pretty well what the average Christian does, isn't it? So, what does one's being gay or straight have to do with Christianity?

And please, feel free to quote the New Testament.

Is there any particuar quote that you'd like?

[99percentatheism]

KCKID

KCKID

In light of today's highly charged "political correctness" dominating our secular, political and judicial cultures . . . how does a person (a Christian person) remain totally and solidly and unmovably commited to opposition of an adversary and do thst politely?

But, my point is ...why should someone who is involved privately and sexually with another consenting adult be an adversary to a 'Christian person' to begin with? What does what one does sexually with another consenting adult have to do with 'Christianity' per se? I mean, what spiritual qualifications are required - whether one be gay or straight - to sit in a church pew every week mouthing songs, saying a few prayers and listening to generally regurgitated sermons and doing damn-all else? Other than having an air of superiority and giving the appearance of 'being righteous' that's pretty well what the average Christian does, isn't it? So, what does one's being gay or straight have to do with Christianity?

I'll have to reply to your seemingly unwarranted vitiolic characterization of the "average Christian" in the above quote a little later on in the day.

And please, feel free to quote the New Testament.

Is there any particuar quote that you'd like?

Any that directly and clearly supports and encourages an "average Christian" to redefine marriage differently than Jesus defined it, and/or engage in homosexual sex acts.

Or otherwise agree that the historic and biblically honest Christian position that gay sex acts and redefining marriage is inappropriate to promote in the Christian Church universal.

[KCKID]

KCKID

KCKID

In light of today's highly charged "political correctness" dominating our secular, political and judicial cultures . . . how does a person (a Christian person) remain totally and solidly and unmovably commited to opposition of an adversary and do thst politely?

But, my point is ...why should someone who is involved privately and sexually with another consenting adult be an adversary to a 'Christian person' to begin with? What does what one does sexually with another consenting adult have to do with 'Christianity' per se? I mean, what spiritual qualifications are required - whether one be gay or straight - to sit in a church pew every week mouthing songs, saying a few prayers and listening to generally regurgitated sermons and doing damn-all else? Other than having an air of superiority and giving the appearance of 'being righteous' that's pretty well what the average Christian does, isn't it? So, what does one's being gay or straight have to do with Christianity?

I'll have to reply to your seemingly unwarranted vitiolic characterization of the "average Christian" in the above quote a little later on in the day.

Perhaps it was rather unwarranted to paint 'the average Christian' with such a broad brush except for the fact that you play up Christians SO humongously in your posts (to the detriment of homosexuals) that we surely need to be realistic. It's been my experience that it's only ever a handful of church members who actually DO anything that would be considered useful and for the benefit of others. Just the mere mention of 'doing these things for the least of my brethren' would have the majority of 'pew warmers' heading for the exit. So, please stop with the 'we saints' nonsense. The average Christian is a mere human being with human failings - as is the homosexual - just like they were born to be.

And please, feel free to quote the New Testament.

Is there any particuar quote that you'd like?

Any that directly and clearly supports and encourages an "average Christian" to redefine marriage differently than Jesus defined it, and/or engage in homosexual sex acts.

But, both heterosexual and homosexual acts are engaged in at home in private, are they not? How do you KNOW who is engaging in what and WHY would you even be interested? This seems awful intrusive to me as well as nothing to do with determining one's status as a Christian.

Or otherwise agree that the historic and biblically honest Christian position that gay sex acts and redefining marriage is inappropriate to promote in the Christian Church universal.

The promoting of either heterosexual sex or homosexual sex in Church is not happening. The relationship between two people - heterosexual or homosexual - should be seen as being more than sex. Intimacy between two adults should be a taboo subject to anyone else. You see 'homosexual' and immediately think of sex. It's all in your mind, 99percent, and it's YOUR problem. Own it!

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 1707:

In light of today's highly charged "political correctness" dominating our secular, political and judicial cultures . . . how does a person (a Christian person) remain totally and solidly and unmovably commited to opposition of an adversary and do thst politely?

By understanding that just 'cause you point up to the sky and declare it agrees, that don't mean the sky gives a tinker's dang about what you have to say.

And please, feel free to quote the New Testament.

The New Testamant be danged, where some folks carry on about how their god ain't cool with folks, we oughta demand such folks show they speak truth.

But don't it beat all, you'll go to your grave swearing up and down ya do, but never showing it.

And don't it beat all, all y'all homosexual hating 'Christians' can do nothing more'n point at a book and declare, "well how 'bout that".


Y'all are incapable of showing ya speak truth, and y'all oughta be got onto about it!


I'm with ya on the whole, "that ain't for me" deal, but I'll be a son of a motherless goat if I'll accept your condemnation of your fellow humans based on a religious notion you are entirely incapable of showing is truth.

Hide behind your Bible. Present that Bible as some form of valid argument - and take your comfort in the vitriol it presents for those who disagree.

Hide behind your repressed homosexuality.

Hide behind your hatred of the very folks I contend you represent, 'cause there you are, you're one of 'em.

Your argument is nothing more than, "I'm proud of this book, and if you ain't, then you, according to this book I'm so proud of, can go to Hell."


Present that hateful book as some sort of reliable document.

In the end (no pun intended), I will declare you're nothing more'n a hater who rejects any notion you don't understand.

You cower in fear of the fact that your over-zealous disregard for such folks indicates you're sitting there right in amongst 'em, only you're shamed that you are.

Let it go, man. Be who you are. Don't let some biblical excreters of the bull tell you you ought'n be proud for sitting there being you.


You, your philosophy, and your religion are nothing but hatred expressed in a profound inability of speaking truth.

You, your philosophy, and your religion are nothing more'n repressed feelings for the very thing you seek to repress.

"God hates teh gheys!"

"Why?"

"'Cause dadgummit here I am, I'm one of 'em, but I don't wanna be!"

[99percentatheism]

JoeyKnothead

From Post 1707:

In light of today's highly charged "political correctness" dominating our secular, political and judicial cultures . . . how does a person (a Christian person) remain totally and solidly and unmovably commited to opposition of an adversary and do thst politely?

By understanding that just 'cause you point up to the sky and declare it agrees, that don't mean the sky gives a tinker's dang about what you have to say.

Really? And how many gay men are dead that are there to down on the ground dead from earthbound HIV that lead to AIDS?

Oh, and of course, the Christian opposition to enciuraging gay pride is that it is antithetical to Christian truth that is documented in a writings forund on earth. This homosexual marriage demands bantered about is also terra firma derived and has nothing to do with heavenly matters anyway. Per Jesus. And that includes boys men and women too.

And Sodom and Gomorrah, those rude and inhospitable people that had God visiting them for the ills that followed on the heels of their licentiousness were earthbound as well.

This is far more than a heavenly issue.

And please, feel free to quote the New Testament.

The New Testamant be danged, where some folks carry on about how their god ain't cool with folks, we oughta demand such folks show they speak truth.

Your opinions on the value of the New Testament are as inconsequential to a Christian as how you flush your toilet.

Now, if even a person like you, that totally seems to saying that they couldn't care less about it, if you would show one simple chunk of scripture that shows ANY encouraging of gay sex and gay marriage, that would be interesting to see produced. Otherwise, I would expect a person in your worldview to support the hnesy of Christians that hold to marriage as it is only defined as "in the Bible" as man and woman.

But don't it beat all, you'll go to your grave swearing up and down ya do, but never showing it.

I'd need to be interacting with someone willing to open their eyes to reality.

And don't it beat all, all y'all homosexual hating 'Christians' can do nothing more'n point at a book and declare, "well how 'bout that".

Last time I looked and listened, gay marriage is happening on earth.

You do realize that don't y'all?

Y'all are incapable of showing ya speak truth, and y'all oughta be got onto about it!

Truth is now called bigotry and hate speech. Y'all dun did 'at.

I'm with ya on the whole, "that ain't for me" deal, but I'll be a son of a motherless goat if I'll accept your condemnation of your fellow humans based on a religious notion you are entirely incapable of showing is truth.

Your personal opinion is noted. And just for what it is.

Hide behind your Bible. Present that Bible as some form of valid argument - and take your comfort in the vitriol it presents for those who disagree.

Same old canard employed with and each an every one of ya. You have a conditioned playbook and it is awesome to see the reactionary kneejerkism that pops out every single time you see someone that isn't along with the crowd.

Hmm, where have I read that before?

Get out of our way, they replied. This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge!

Well treat you worse than them. - The mob of Sodomites in Sodom

They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

Hide behind your repressed homosexuality.

That solidly nonsense charge would mean that you are really a repressed Conservative Born Again Bible Believing Evengelical Christian. Using your reasoning.

I love locking horns with the logic you lash out with.

Simply an enjoyable experience for me.

Hide behind your hatred of the very folks I contend you represent, 'cause there you are, you're one of 'em.

As you are representing you being a Born Again Bible Believing Evengelical Christian? Same logic y'all.

Your argument is nothing more than, "I'm proud of this book, and if you ain't, then you, according to this book I'm so proud of, can go to Hell."

Whether Sodom and Gomorrah is myth, reality or metaphor, the gay marriage issue is one of forcing everyone to support it BY LAW. Inhospitality is the end result of it.

Present that hateful book as some sort of reliable document.

YAWNNNNNN Same od charge since the beginning of the Church era:

The circumstances surrounding the first persecution " Neros "

A same swx marriage adherant. THREE same sex marriage that is.

had enormous effects, despite the fact that this persecution does not seem to have extended further than the city of Rome. The Christians were officially accused of a heinous crime " the burning of the city " and this created a widespread public opinion hostile to the new religion.

The historian Tacitus regarded Christianity as a pernicious superstition; Suetonius described it as novel and mischievous; Pliny the Younger as depraved and extravagant. Tacitus went as far as calling the Christians enemies of mankind. Therefore it is not surprising that ordinary people attributed to Christians all sorts of monstrosities such as infanticide and cannibalism, etc. According to Tertullian, Christians to the lions became the obligatory catch-cry of every riot.

But of course, in your logic, all those Christians were really pagan Romans. Sorry if I take a moment for some serious laughter and then some tears.

OK I'm back. All those martyrs died really desring to be one of their murderers? That's what your logic demands.

In the end (no pun intended), I will declare you're nothing more'n a hater who rejects any notion you don't understand.

If that makes you sleep well at night. I can't change a closed mind. I just went to a Fly Over state last weekend and spoke to some groups, that it is the hunris of the common secularist, our dedicated adversaries, that will keep us safe in the short term in the coming years.

You cower in fear of the fact that your over-zealous disregard for such folks indicates you're sitting there right in amongst 'em, only you're shamed that you are.

The people I am ashamed of are the same people Jude mentioned "back in the day."

Let it go, man. Be who you are. Don't let some biblical excreters of the bull tell you you ought'n be proud for sitting there being you.

I wonder what it would be like to speak to an actual Demon?

I feel I am getting well prepared if it ever happens.

You, your philosophy, and your religion are nothing but hatred expressed in a profound inability of speaking truth.

You seem so comfortable with vitriol and hatred towards a Christian. You don't care about the rules here at this site? Never mind. Rules are just some written words.

Something I have seen ubiquitously in debating the subject of gay pride is the need to define Christians as a hate group if we don't support gay sex. It's laughable thinking that that is going to shut us up. As you can see (hopefully) it was a failure for the Romans. AND the secularists of the French Revolution AND the National Socialists in 20th Germany didn't end us up either.

You, your philosophy, and your religion are nothing more'n repressed feelings for the very thing you seek to repress.

Then I guess you have just said I am a 9-11 Saudi terrorist huh? Oh, and I am actually you too.

That logic you employ here, is nonsensical.

"God hates teh gheys!"

"Why?"

"'Cause dadgummit here I am, I'm one of 'em, but I don't wanna be!"

Do you realize that that logic means that every Teacher on Earth wants to be an unruly school dropout? Every cop wants to be a murderer? Every scientist a pagan Shaman?

Oh, and awesome, all y'all atheists are really undercover Christian Fundies.

Uhhhh yeaaaahh.

Next?

I would have reported you for your rules breaking, but dang nammit, that'd mean I was wantin' to brak dem darn rules too (again).

No, I'd rather have you front and center where our debate can produce some great examples of what is facing The Church for real.