If the shroud of Turin proves the Christian Bible......

[Athetotheist]

In another thread which I've mentioned elsewhere, it's conceded that the Christian Bible is not inerrant and contains inconsistencies. It's argued, however, that those errors don't matter, that the Christian Bible should be believed even though it isn't consistently believable because.....the shroud of Turin! A Jesus-like image on a piece of linen is supposed to overrule all the critical objections to the problematic narrative and make it A-okay for Christianity's founding texts to be as inconsistent and error-ridden as Christian apologists assume the texts of other religions to be.

If the shroud of Turin can be regarded as proof of Christianity, why can't quantum mechanics be regarded as proof of Hinduism?


"For example, it allowed electrons to tunnel through walls, particles to exist simultaneously in two places at once, black holes to evaporate, and information to be exchanged between observers faster than light.

"This was a crucial moment in history, when physics was in a state of major upheaval. The familiar classical picture of reality was being disrupted by one that seemed to be too crazy to be true, even as it explained numerous experimental observations that the former could not. Einstein, Bohr, Schrödinger, Heisenberg and others were deeply troubled by its implications. Indeed, they were faced with a personal dilemma: to believe a preposterous theory that worked or discard it for an intuitive theory that didn’t work.

"At this critical juncture, they discovered that their notion, that the world we see is not reality itself but a projection onto our consciousness, wasn’t completely new. In the ancient Indian texts known as the Upanishads, they found echoes of their theories, and a philosophical foundation to ensure they would no longer be cast adrift by the implications of quantum mechanics."

https://science.thewire.in/society/hist ... panishads/


"The Vedas support the concept of Brahman as an enormous field that constitutes the true reality of the universe and is not divided into objects with larger or smaller dimensions, but remains what is at the basis of reality, namely reality itself - even though it manifests itself in each and every form and object of the visible universe.

"It is without dimensions and basically coincides with the concept of quantum nonlocality: it is a concept of God very different from that of other religions, especially those based on the Torah, the Koran, and the Bible, but in effect it is not even far from it. In Brahman there are all the planes of existence: divine, human, and infinite others that are superior and inferior to the human plane. These are considered illusory, nevertheless they are experienced as real for the living beings that inhabit them."

https://www.ancient-origins.net/artifac ... cs-0013945


If the holes in the Christian narrative can be swept under a piece of cloth bearing a faint image, and a questionable image at that, why can't the findings of QM be assumed to validate an Eastern concept of the universe----without those troublesome Biblical contradictions to deal with?

[The Nice Centurion]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #20]
If Quantum Phenomena are real, why then didnt Jesus teach about them, why didnt the evangelists write about them?

Like that: " Jesus performed many miracles and Quantum Mechanics!"

Or:"Jesus said: I am god and I threw Adam and Eve out of Paradise . The Angel who did this for me threw away his flaming sword and instead used Quantum Mechanics to throw them out."

"When our Lord was crucified, the sun stood still, the temple curtain was torn by supernatural forces, the dead saints crawled out of their graves and furthermore a lot of Quantum Mechanics happened!"

"Our Lord resurrected through the power of Quantum Mechanics!"

"After 40 days our Lord desended to heaven using Quantum Mechanics!"

"Our Lords return wlll happen through Quantum Mechanics!"

[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #20]
If Quantum Phenomena are real, why then didnt Jesus teach about them, why didnt the evangelists write about them?

Like that: " Jesus performed many miracles and Quantum Mechanics!"

Or:"Jesus said: I am god and I threw Adam and Eve out of Paradise . The Angel who did this for me threw away his flaming sword and instead used Quantum Mechanics to throw them out."

"When our Lord was crucified, the sun stood still, the temple curtain was torn by supernatural forces, the dead saints crawled out of their graves and furthermore a lot of Quantum Mechanics happened!"

"Our Lord resurrected through the power of Quantum Mechanics!"

"After 40 days our Lord desended to heaven using Quantum Mechanics!"

"Our Lords return wlll happen through Quantum Mechanics!"

While the whole puzzle of the Turin shroud connects Quantum physics about as much as trying to identify Nefertitis' mummy with DNA means that study of early Chinese culture relates to a belief in dragons, that is really not at all, it is always a nice point that the Jeus who supposedly knew what wa true and what was not, still told people wrong, as surely as God told Moses wrong about the formation of the earth, heavns and order of creation. Almost as if it had all been written by men who didn't know any better.

But this video makes the point more entertainingly than I can.