Victim's of American Fundamentalism

[gadfly]

Are you a victim of American fundamentalism?

American fundamentalists are some of the loudest and most obnoxious Christians ever. Like, ever. It is therefore understandable that many today think they represent Christianity.

But this is untrue.

Historically speaking, if we could consult ALL Christians—including those long dead—American fundamentalists would find themselves in the less than 1%. Paul, Augustine, Anselm, Aquinas...maybe even Calvin (but I’m not sure about him)....they would be baffled and even a little appalled by some of the "non-negotionables" of American fundamentalists.

American fundamentalism is truly a phenomenon. And it needs to die.

So, I propose a test. Are you a victim of American fundamentalists?

Well...answer the following questions. If "Yes", then, sorry, you are a victim or American fundamentalism.

To be a Christian you have to believe the Bible is inerrant—no two sentences can contradict each other?

To be a Christian you have to believe that Jesus died bc God was so pissed off at humans he needed to kill someone. His son volunteered

To be a Christian you have to believe there are two alternative “places” where people "go" when they die—a place where you sing songs in white clothing and a place where you literally burn forever.

To debate (as a Christian or not) well in the current topic you merely have to quote a single bible verse that at face value supports your thesis.


So then....if you answered Yes to any of these, I am sorry to say, you are a victim of American fundamentalism.

Since this is a debate forum, I suppose I must ask a more productive question. Is my contention correct? are there other criterion to be added?

[A Freeman]

To be a Christian you have to believe the Bible is inerrant—no two sentences can contradict each other?

When the Bible is correctly transcribed, correctly translated and correctly understood, it is all in perfect agreement/consistent with itself, exactly as it promises.

Enoch 104:8-11
THE INCORRECT WRITING OF GOD'S WORDS PROPHESIED:-

104:8 They shall speak evil things; they shall utter falsehood (ch. 97:2); create a great creation (false religions and religious traditions and technology); and compose books of their own words (books of man-made rules; books of the religious traditions of their fathers; novels; etc.; etc.; etc. - ch. 68:13).

HOW TO RECOGNISE AND CORRECT THE MISTAKES:-

But when they shall write correctly all My words in their own languages,
104:9 They (My words) shall neither change nor diminish (Mark 13:31; Matt. 5:17-19); but when all shall be written correctly; ALL, which from the first I have uttered concerning them shall concur (John 10:35; Sura 15:9).
104:10 Another secret also I point out. To the righteous and the wise shall be given Books of joy, of integrity, and of great Wisdom. To them shall Books be given (Rev. 2:17), in which they shall believe (and Live by);
104:11 And in which they shall rejoice. And all the righteous shall be rewarded, who from these (Books) shall acquire the Knowledge of The Straight Way.

For the Bible to be in agreement/consistent with itself, there must be two or more references, which is what makes it possible to identify any errors in any verse, that may result from transcribing it incorrectly, translating it incorrectly or misinterpreting it to take on the opposite meaning of other verses. Exactly as one would expect given the Life or Death importance of everyone getting it right or finding themselves in The Fire on Judgement Day. It's also why the Bible has so much built-in redundancy.

Deuteronomy 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; [but] at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

2 Peter 1:19-21
1:19 We have also the more sure word of Prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye TAKE HEED, as unto a Light that shineth in a dark place, until the Day dawn, and the Morning Star (Rev. 30:16) arise in your hearts:
1:20 Knowing this first, that no Prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation*.
1:21 For the Prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke [as they were] moved by the Holy Spirit.

*i.e. the interpretation MUST be consistent with other Scripture

This is confirmed in the Koran/Quran as well:

Sura 39:23. "I AM" has revealed (from time to time) the most beautiful Message in the form of a Book, CONSISTENT WITH ITSELF, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of "I AM"'s praises (Prov. 1:7; [url=https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/18prov.htm#9_10]9:10). Such is the Guidance from "I AM": He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as "I AM" leaves to stray, can have none to guide.

We're even told why God allows these errors, to test those whose hearts are hardened, i.e. those who have no love for the truth, and therefore don't seek it ([url=https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/29jerem.htm#29_13]Jer. 29:13; Matt. 7:7-8).

Sura 22:52-55
22:52. Never did We send an Apostle or a Prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but "I AM" will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and "I AM" will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for "I AM" is full of Knowledge and Wisdom:
22:53. That He may make the suggestions thrown in by Satan, but a trial for those in whose hearts is a disease and who are hardened of heart: verily the wrong-doers are in a schism far (from the Truth):
22:54. And that those on whom Knowledge has been bestowed may learn that the (Koran) is the Truth from thy Lord, and that they may believe therein, and their hearts may be made humbly (open) to it: for verily "I AM" is the Guide, of those who believe, to The Straight Way.
22:55. Those who reject Faith will not cease to be in doubt concerning (Revelation) until The Hour (of Judgment) comes suddenly upon them, or there comes to them the Penalty of a Day of Disaster.

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It also seems worth pointing out that nowhere in all of Scripture does it instruct anyone to be a "Christian", nor does it tell us that any "Christian" will be redeemed from the Earth. Christ sent out His True Followers to make disciples of all nations, NOT "Christians" (fundamentalists or otherwise).

Matthew 28:18-20
28:18 And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
28:19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them with the Holy Spirit: in my name (The Saviour),
28:20 Instructing them to observe (and DO) all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, [even] unto the end of the world (age). Amen.

[1213]

So, your "good reasons" are that you know, deep in your heart of hearts, that the science is wrong?

I said "I believe there is a good reason", not "I know what the reason is". One reason why I believe so is, science was previously wrong about "junk DNA", so it can also be wrong in this case.

[Difflugia]

So, your "good reasons" are that you know, deep in your heart of hearts, that the science is wrong?

I said "I believe there is a good reason", not "I know what the reason is". One reason why I believe so is, science was previously wrong about "junk DNA", so it can also be wrong in this case.

So, "yes," then.

Scientists have a saying for exacty this situation, politely paraphrased as, "Data or go home!" Without associated data, "you might be wrong," is worth about as much as, "and monkeys might fly out of my butt." If you think either of those is a good reason for believing anything, that just tells us that you don't talk to scientists (or mathematicians) much.

[marke]

Are you a victim of American fundamentalism?

American fundamentalists are some of the loudest and most obnoxious Christians ever. Like, ever. It is therefore understandable that many today think they represent Christianity.

But this is untrue.

Historically speaking, if we could consult ALL Christians—including those long dead—American fundamentalists would find themselves in the less than 1%. Paul, Augustine, Anselm, Aquinas...maybe even Calvin (but I’m not sure about him)....they would be baffled and even a little appalled by some of the "non-negotionables" of American fundamentalists.

American fundamentalism is truly a phenomenon. And it needs to die.

So, I propose a test. Are you a victim of American fundamentalists?

Well...answer the following questions. If "Yes", then, sorry, you are a victim or American fundamentalism.

To be a Christian you have to believe the Bible is inerrant—no two sentences can contradict each other?

To be a Christian you have to believe that Jesus died bc God was so pissed off at humans he needed to kill someone. His son volunteered

To be a Christian you have to believe there are two alternative “places” where people "go" when they die—a place where you sing songs in white clothing and a place where you literally burn forever.

To debate (as a Christian or not) well in the current topic you merely have to quote a single bible verse that at face value supports your thesis.


So then....if you answered Yes to any of these, I am sorry to say, you are a victim of American fundamentalism.

Since this is a debate forum, I suppose I must ask a more productive question. Is my contention correct? are there other criterion to be added?

Marke: Fundamentalism may be plagued with problems but God-honoring Christianity is the only truly civilized system of belief on earth.

[marke]

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To be a Christian you have to believe the Bible is inerrant—no two sentences can contradict each other?
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I think it is not wrong to think Bible is inerrant, when no one can prove it is not. But, I think it would be good, if everyone would know Biblical definition for who is a Christian, a disciple of Jesus. I think it is quite simple, but it seems many don't know it:

Marke: Nobody can disprove the inerrant Word of God translated into the Bible.

[marke]

So, you can prove Bible errant?

That's been done repeatedly, the fingers in your ears notwithstanding.

Marke: No, people think they have disproven the Bible but their claims fall completely apart in debate.

[marke]

So, your "good reasons" are that you know, deep in your heart of hearts, that the science is wrong?

I said "I believe there is a good reason", not "I know what the reason is". One reason why I believe so is, science was previously wrong about "junk DNA", so it can also be wrong in this case.

So, "yes," then.

Scientists have a saying for exacty this situation, politely paraphrased as, "Data or go home!" Without associated data, "you might be wrong," is worth about as much as, "and monkeys might fly out of my butt." If you think either of those is a good reason for believing anything, that just tells us that you don't talk to scientists (or mathematicians) much.

Marke: Sadly, so many interpretations of data are assumed to be inerrant when that is far from true.

[bluegreenearth]

Marke: Nobody can disprove the inerrant Word of God translated into the Bible.

You've just conceded that the Bible contains unfalsifiable claims. Unfalsifiable claims can be neither disproved nor proved by any quantity or quality of evidence. Therefore, no logical justification can be offered for accepting them as reasonable explanations for anything.