Does Anyone still take the Noah's Ark Fable literally?

[Diogenes]

Does Anyone still take the Noah's Ark Fable literally?
Does Anyone still take the Noah's Ark Fable literally?
Asking because how and why would Noah have collected the approximately 140,000 species of flies in the world today?
Or the more than 3000 species of mosquitoes?
Not to mention disease causing viruses, parasites, and bacteria like Mycobacterium leprae or Mycobacterium lepromatosis that cause leprosy?
I mean, did they collect this stuff in petri dishes or did God lead Noah to choose infected animals?

[Carnivalfaces]

[Replying to RBD in post #20]

So you have no evidence the flood myth of the bible ever happened.

[Richard Aberdeen]

[Replying to Diogenes in post #1]

The Hebrew which is translated as the entire earth, also is translated in the same book of Genesis as meaning region of Ur. It is indisputable that there was a great regional flood at the estimated historical timeframe of Noah. Such is recorded in several different cultures, as well as a story of a man saving animals in an ark is found in several cultures. Any careful historian understands this to be the hallmarks of history rather than myth as you carelessly assume.

[Richard Aberdeen]

[Replying to Carnivalfaces in post #21]

The Hebrew which is translated as the entire earth, also is translated in the same book of Genesis as meaning region of Ur. It is indisputable that there was a great regional flood at the estimated historical timeframe of Noah. Such is recorded in several different cultures, as well as a story of a man saving animals in an ark is found in several cultures. Any careful historian understands this to be the hallmarks of history rather than myth as you carelessly assume.

Like English, both Hebrew and Greek have many words with multiple meanings. You need to study more.

[Carnivalfaces]

[Replying to Carnivalfaces in post #21]

The Hebrew which is translated as the entire earth, also is translated in the same book of Genesis as meaning region of Ur. It is indisputable that there was a great regional flood at the estimated historical timeframe of Noah. Such is recorded in several different cultures, as well as a story of a man saving animals in an ark is found in several cultures. Any careful historian understands this to be the hallmarks of history rather than myth as you carelessly assume.

Like English, both Hebrew and Greek have many words with multiple meanings. You need to study more.

You are completely unaware of the fact Enki and the mesopatonian gods predate genesis and it's obvious genesis borrowed from that mythology. Try again.

[BruceLeiter]

[Replying to Diogenes in post #1]

Yes, I take it literally, @Diogenes, for four reasons:

1. The New Testament confirms it: "Heb 11:7  By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ark for the saving of his household. By this he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith."

2. The only way I can explain the Grand Canyon is according to the Bible's description of the Great Flood, when God uses it to create that chasm.

3. The history if the Bible is compressed, ancient history, which describes true history with a point to make and selects certain events to give us spiritual truths.

4. You seem to look at the Bible through the lens of science, whereas I look at science through the lens of the Bible, as Psalm 19:1,7 indicates: "The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork....The law of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple." 

 

[Clownboat]

[Replying to Diogenes in post #1]

Does Anyone still take the Noah's Ark Fable literally?

yes.

Asking because how and why would Noah have collected the approximately 140,000 species of flies in the world today?

the Bible does not say Noah had to fund and load up every species of organism on the planet. If you read gen 7 God gather the animals: 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female, came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah.

Or the more than 3000 species of mosquitoes?

Also "Kind" would referred to family or order in the taxonomic rank (how we classify different groupings of related organisms.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxonomic_rank ) Not Species.
Meaning God did not have to load up 160,000 different species of flies.. He just needed to load up a few of the progenitors of the order Diptera. (Which is who all two winged flies belong to.) This is true across the board.

מִין mîyn, meen; Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
kind, sometimes a species (usually of animals)
Groups of living organisms belong in the same created "kind" if they have descended from the same ancestral gene pool. This does not preclude new species because this represents a partitioning of the original gene pool. Information is lost or conserved—not gained. A new species could arise when a population is isolated and inbreeding occurs. By this definition a new species is not a new "kind" but a further partitioning of an existing "kind".
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon ... v/wlc/0-1/

Not to mention disease causing viruses, parasites, and bacteria like Mycobacterium leprae or Mycobacterium lepromatosis that cause leprosy? God loaded 2 pairs
I mean, did they collect this stuff in petri dishes or did God lead Noah to choose infected animals?

God order Moses to load up 7 pairs of clean animals, and 2 pairs of unclean. why is it such a leap of faith to say that these organisms you're asking about did not infect/lay dormant in the unclean or clean animals?

What you suggest is a form of evolution that would make actual biologist blush.
How can one reject evolution, but then claim a pair of beetles evolved into 400,000 differing species of beetle within some 6,000 years?
The Theist: "Evolution is false. Except for this crazy fast version of it that must have taken place in order for me to retain my religious upbringing".

[Clownboat]

Yes, I take it literally, @Diogenes, for four reasons:

1. The New Testament confirms it: "Heb 11:7  By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ark for the saving of his household. By this he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith."

Faith is a mechanism in order to believe that false things are true.
To illustrate:
Want to believe in Allah? Faith
Fairies? Faith
Loch Ness monster? Faith
Aliens? Faith

Perhaps you should try reason.

2. The only way I can explain the Grand Canyon is according to the Bible's description of the Great Flood, when God uses it to create that chasm.

I acknowledge that you don't understand how the Grand Canyon formed and that you instead credit a god concept for it. It is common throughout all of known human history to credit the gods or spirits for the unknown. Until it becomes known of course, then we no longer need Thor to explain thunder.

3. The history if the Bible is compressed, ancient history, which describes true history with a point to make and selects certain events to give us spiritual truths.

The Old Testament is the history of the Jews, and some of it even happened if you ask the Jews. The Bible is not a history book though, your claim is empty.

4. You seem to look at the Bible through the lens of science, whereas I look at science through the lens of the Bible, as Psalm 19:1,7 indicates: "The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork....The law of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple." 

I acknowledge this and see it as a reason for why you do not understand geology like you demonstrated.

 

[BruceLeiter]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #27]

Since you do not acknowledge the Bible as the inspired Word of God, @Clownboat, why are you on this forum? It would seem that you are wasting your time, since most of the people here do.

[Tcg]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #27]

Since you do not acknowledge the Bible as the inspired Word of God, @Clownboat, why are you on this forum? It would seem that you are wasting your time, since most of the people here do.

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[BruceLeiter]

[Replying to Tcg in post #29]

@Tcg, you misunderstand my previous comment. I said that I interpret or use the lens of the Bible to look at science. I did not say that the Bible is evidence for science. May we not state what I said? Everything I say is my opinion, and people are free to do with them what they want to.