God part of evolution?

[diciple_of_light]

Could it be possible that God in the creation of the world used evolution to create all things? And if so would that explain the theories for the earth being billions of years old?

[YEC]

If you go to any commentary or reference bible it will indicate that it was the Jesus part of the Godhead that performed the creation.

This is also what the simple reading of the verses I presented says...no semantics...simple english.

People like our new ordained pastor friend like to add between the lines and complicate things.

[Dilettante]

jose wrote:

This is great fun! It seems that there is a lot of semantics involved in reading the bible. It also seems that every reader has his/her own interpretations. [...] Usually, everyone seems to be quite certain that his/her interpretation is the only correct one.

Precisely! That is the main problem here!

YEC wrote:

This is also what the simple reading of the verses I presented says...no semantics...simple english.

People like our new ordained pastor friend like to add between the lines and complicate things.

This illustrates what I've always said: the Bible is a collection of books, and no book "says" anything until it is interpreted. YEC, bear in mind that your interpretation is still an interpretation (a literal one). You can't say its simply what the Bible says in "plain English", among other reasons, because your English-language Bible is a translation and the translator had to interpret the text in order to find the best words in English. To make a distinction between disciple of light's interpretation and "what the simple reading says", between someone's interpretation and what it "really" says, is to make no distinction at all.

BTW, Genesis 1:27 says men and women were created at the same time. Do you choose not to read that verse literally?

[jwu]

There is plenty of evidence that Jesus could not have risen from the dead.

What exactly?

jwu

What happens to a body that has been dead for 3 days?

Tell me how it could be possible to rise from the grave...How do you reverse rigor-mortis for starters? How did Jesus bend his stiff knees and rigid arms?

Do you need more examples of why it would be scientifically impossible?

This isn't what i was asking for - i was asking for evidence that in this particular case there has not been divine intervention.

If you want to compare the situation regarding the age of the earth and Jesus rising from the dead, then the Jesus rising from the dead counterpart of the evidence which we see regarding the age of the earth would be e.g. records which say that Jesus still was in he grave on the fourth day.

jwu

[YEC]

There is plenty of evidence that Jesus could not have risen from the dead.

What exactly?

jwu

What happens to a body that has been dead for 3 days?

Tell me how it could be possible to rise from the grave...How do you reverse rigor-mortis for starters? How did Jesus bend his stiff knees and rigid arms?

Do you need more examples of why it would be scientifically impossible?

This isn't what i was asking for - i was asking for evidence that in this particular case there has not been divine intervention.

If you want to compare the situation regarding the age of the earth and Jesus rising from the dead, then the Jesus rising from the dead counterpart of the evidence which we see regarding the age of the earth would be e.g. records which say that Jesus still was in he grave on the fourth day.

jwu

The evidence could point in the direction of swooning or an imposter actually died on the cross...Go visit any anti-christian web site and you can find all kinds of reasons for not believing in the resurrection.

The bottom line is faith. Faith in evolutionism or biblical creation.

Personally, I'll trust the Word of God and what it tells us. I'd rather not put my faith in fallible man and their fallible often atheistic concepts of a Godless origins.

[jwu]

The evidence could point in the direction of swooning or an imposter actually died on the cross...Go visit any anti-christian web site and you can find all kinds of reasons for not believing in the resurrection.

Do they have evidence which withstood scientific peer review? I don't think so.

Personally, I'll trust the Word of God and what it tells us. I'd rather not put my faith in fallible man and their fallible often atheistic concepts of a Godless origins.

I consider any interpretation of the Bible by mere men to be no less fallible than scientific discoveries.

jwu

[Khaen2010]

YEC, if I read your posts correctly, you believe that the bible you hold in your hands is the absolute truth of God, yes? Well, as I recall from looking at my bible, each of the included books was written by a man (fallible according to yourself) and then each was again interpreted from the original language into english by at least one other fallible man. How then, can you claim that you will trust in the Bible but not in man? Trusting the Bible to be the word-for-word truth is to trust not just one, but multiple men.

Also, for those of you who claim that the Bible gives us a 24 hour day, how many days are in a year? If you said 365.25, you are correct in the present. But back before Pope Gregory XIII, on October 4, 1582, the year wasn't necessarily 365.25 days. In fact, they were off by 11 days which Gregory fixed. Before that a year was 365 days, and before that we had years of 304 days, 354 days, and 365 days. Did the bible specify a correct calendar? If it did, then I'm sorry, but I would like a refrence so I can go look it up myself.

[DeoxyriboNucleicAcid]

The question 'Could God have used Evolution etc" is what, in law, one might call a 'leading' question.
It assumes that God had a hand in creating man which most thinking people would at least question.
The question should have perhaps read, "IF GOD EXISTS, could He have used evolution to create man?"

[YEC]

YEC, if I read your posts correctly, you believe that the bible you hold in your hands is the absolute truth of God, yes?
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2TI 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

I trust you get the picture.

[micatala]

I agree that scripture is God-breathed. I do not think that this means it is infallible. Even it is infallible, as others have pointed out elsewhere, this does not mean that we are infallible in our understanding of it.

One example. Martin Luther read his Bible and made the most straightforward interpretation that he felt he could, and it was very clear to him. The earth does not move. Neither does it rotate on its axis, nor does it move through the heavens. He pointed to many passages of scripture from a number of different books in support of this position.

If Martin Luther was wrong about the solar system, why not those who claim evolution is not compatible with the Bible?

[YEC]

I agree that scripture is God-breathed. I do not think that this means it is infallible. Even it is infallible, as others have pointed out elsewhere, this does not mean that we are infallible in our understanding of it.

Where is the bible fallible? I have seen many supposed contradictions, but have NEVER seen one actually stand up.
Now I say that knowing full well there are translation errors that occur in different versions as fallible man puts his own bias on a particular chapter.

One example. Martin Luther read his Bible and made the most straightforward interpretation that he felt he could, and it was very clear to him. The earth does not move. Neither does it rotate on its axis, nor does it move through the heavens. He pointed to many passages of scripture from a number of different books in support of this position.

If Martin Luther was wrong about the solar system, why not those who claim evolution is not compatible with the Bible?

With out examples your Martin Luther sermon is here-say.