Which Christianity is the True Faith?
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Which Christianity is the True Faith?
Post #1Seems after 2000 years, Christians can't decide - and God isn't talking.
So, which brave Christian wants to set it out clearly here: Who will speak for God?
Which Christianity is the true faith!?
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A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
God gave a secret, and denied it me?
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Re: Which Christianity is the True Faith?
Post #31Cherry picking one definition (that happens to match your indoctrination) amongst numerous options doesn't support your claim that the single one you provided is the "general understanding of the term." You've only provided one understanding of the term. They are numerous others.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 12:41 pmThat is the general understanding of the term.boatsnguitars wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:57 am
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Re: Which Christianity is the True Faith?
Post #32That's a theological question , not one that can be scientifically answered. There is a biblical argument but I dont think you are asking for scriptural support for a particular position (correct me if I am wrong). I don't believe there is a secular consensus on assessment of Jesus spiritual qualification as the Christ.
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Re: Which Christianity is the True Faith?
Post #33[Replying to boatsnguitars in post #1]
There isn't any such thing and there never has been. True is a subjective term. The Jews had Jehovah and the Christians had Christ and neither of them were "true." You aren't going to get a "true" religion. Ever. Form your own religion right now based upon what you determine is true and 50 million people will scramble out of town to subscribe to your truth only to drastically change it within a month's time at the least.
Define true. Based upon doctrine? Based upon behavior and belief? Base it upon sin. Then at least you don't have a faulty premise.
There isn't any such thing and there never has been. True is a subjective term. The Jews had Jehovah and the Christians had Christ and neither of them were "true." You aren't going to get a "true" religion. Ever. Form your own religion right now based upon what you determine is true and 50 million people will scramble out of town to subscribe to your truth only to drastically change it within a month's time at the least.
Define true. Based upon doctrine? Based upon behavior and belief? Base it upon sin. Then at least you don't have a faulty premise.
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Re: Which Christianity is the True Faith?
Post #34If there was a God , could He define and designate "true religion"? If an omniscient God declared something true would that be true?[Replying to boatsnguitars in post #1]
There isn't any such thing and there never has been. ...
Define true. Based upon doctrine? Based upon behavior and belief? Base it upon sin. ....
JOHN 18: 37 , 38
Jesus answered: “You yourself are saying that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is on the side of the truth listens to my voice.” Pilate said to him: “What is truth?”
After saying this, he went out again ...
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Re: Which Christianity is the True Faith?
Post #35There are lots of Gods, and I suppose they could define what true religion might be should it exist. You and I well know that the apostles were a democratic organization, not a tyrannical one. Which religion is true isn't particularly relevant by comparison. The adherents to "the truth" can claim to be aligned with that, but that doesn't mean anything. Saul was of the truly anointed, no?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 1:49 pm If there was a God , could He define and designate "true religion"?
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Re: Which Christianity is the True Faith?
Post #36Data wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 1:53 pmThere are lots of Gods, and I suppose they could define what true religion might be should it exist. You and I well know that the apostles were a democratic organization, not a tyrannical one. Which religion is true isn't particularly relevant by comparison. The adherents to "the truth" can claim to be aligned with that, but that doesn't mean anything. Saul was of the truly anointed, no?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 1:49 pm If there was a God , could He define and designate "true religion"?
If there was one supreme superior God omnisicent, all knowing God ... if such a God existed could He define and declare a religion true?
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
Re: Which Christianity is the True Faith?
Post #37Would you agree that the term omniscient is magnified in importance and meaning just as omnipresence is? Clarification for the other readers: Jehovah God isn't omnipresent because his position is fixed in heaven. The heavens, and as Solomon said, the temple, can't contain him. His presence is made known through various means - such as messengers, or angels, his figurative word and perfect spokesperson Christ Jesus. As Paul said there are many Gods and many Lords, but to us the supreme is a subjective term. So, let's say Jehovah God was this supreme all knowing, all mighty God of which you speak. You would have to concede that his definition and declaration of a true religion in the examples I gave, the Jews of ancient Israel until, what? Pentecost 33 CE? and thereafter the Christian congregation were true.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 1:55 pm If there was one supreme superior God omnisicent, all knowing God ... if such a God existed could He define and declare a religion true?
So, your current definition of a true religion isn't likely any more true than those, is it? Jehovah God is all knowing. Religion isn't. So, how do you define true religion and does it matter since your religious representatives here on earth aren't Jehovah God.
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Re: Which Christianity is the True Faith?
Post #38Thank you for your comment... but did you actually anwser my question ?Data wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:14 pmWould you agree that the term omniscient is magnified in importance {snip: irrelevant}JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 1:55 pm If there was one supreme superior God omnisicent, all knowing God ... if such a God existed could He define and declare a religion true?
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
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Re: Which Christianity is the True Faith?
Post #39Perhaps you could list four or five of these "numerous" definitions so that we could see how they are meaningfully different than that definition provided here.Tcg wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 1:12 pmCherry picking one definition (that happens to match your indoctrination) amongst numerous options doesn't support your claim that the single one you provided is the "general understanding of the term." You've only provided one understanding of the term. They are numerous others.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 12:41 pmThat is the general understanding of the term.boatsnguitars wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:57 am
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Re: Which Christianity is the True Faith?
Post #40Yes. It just wasn't the answer you wanted. You wanted me to finish the script as you were given it. You want me to answer your God is supreme, which I would, by the way, and that he defines your religion as true, which I don't agree with because a) it isn't possible yet and 2) your claims to the contrary are biased and poorly constructed. I think.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:44 pmThank you for your comment... but did you actually anwser my question ?Data wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:14 pmWould you agree that the term omniscient is magnified in importance {snip: irrelevant}JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 1:55 pm If there was one supreme superior God omnisicent, all knowing God ... if such a God existed could He define and declare a religion true?
Is there one supreme superior God, all knowing? I believe there is, but a God is only a god to those who worship him. Your and my God isn't the God of everyone. Instead of all knowing you should use grand creator in your question - like this: Is there one supreme God who created the heavens and Earth? The answer is, I believe, yes. Can he define and declare a religion true? I believe he can, yes, but since there has never been one true religion, my answer is conjectural.