Will all those who died before Armeggedon be raised to life?

[2timothy316]

There are those that think that everyone will be raised to life after Armageddon. This would include such people as Hitler and Judas Iscariot.

For debate, will everyone be resurrected after the end of this system of things or will there be some that will not? What do the scriptures say? If all people will be resurrected, is there no accountability for our actions now? Just as long as we kill ourselves before God judges us?

[myth-one.com]

MATTHEW 12:31, 32

“For this reason I say to you, every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come

I really don't see were there can be any question, Jesus made it clear that it was possible for someone to sin unforgivable "in this system" ie BEFORE Armageddon, so of course such s person forfeits any chance of future life.

God judges who such people are.

Jesus lived under the Old Testament Covenant, where the wages of sin is death. And what He said was true at that time. That is, that all sin had to be forgiven for those under that covenant to become an heir unto everlasting life. And there was the one sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which was unforgivable.

But after Jesus' death, the New Testament Covenant became the active covenant, and the original covenant became the Old Testament Covenant and vanished away:

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. (Hebrews 8:13)

Under the New Testament Covenant, salvation became a gift of God through Jesus Christ to those who believe in Him as their Savior from the wages of their sins:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)

Consequently, sin no longer controls our salvation, even the unforgivable sin:

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)

Once a person accepts and receives the gift of everlasting life, the wages of sin no longer apply to them because the wages of sin is death, but they cannot die!

[tam]

Peace to you,

Deceased nonbelievers are resurrected a 1000 years after the Second Coming to human life once again, and face judgment.

Deceased people who are not in Christ are resurrected at the end of the thousand years (yes).

Correct.

But at that time, some of these receive life (the resurrection of life), and some of these receive judgment and the second death (the resurrection of judgment.)

No, deceased people who are not in Christ are resurrected at the end of the thousand years and all of them face judgment!

If, by facing judgment, you simply mean that some are granted life (based on some of their deeds), and some are judged (as in condemned) to the second death (again, based on deeds as recorded in their individual scrolls from their lives), then sure.


Peace again.

[myth-one.com]

Peace to you,

Deceased nonbelievers are resurrected a 1000 years after the Second Coming to human life once again, and face judgment.

Deceased people who are not in Christ are resurrected at the end of the thousand years (yes).

Correct.

But at that time, some of these receive life (the resurrection of life), and some of these receive judgment and the second death (the resurrection of judgment.)

No, deceased people who are not in Christ are resurrected at the end of the thousand years and all of them face judgment!

If, by facing judgment, you simply mean that some are granted life (based on some of their deeds), and some are judged (as in condemned) to the second death (again, based on deeds as recorded in their individual scrolls from their lives), then sure.

Peace again.

Absolutely not!

ALL deceased nonbelievers are resurrected at the end of the thousand years and every one of them face judgment!

Absolutely no one will be granted everlasting life based on their works:

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, (2 Timothy 1:9)

[tam]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

Deceased nonbelievers are resurrected a 1000 years after the Second Coming to human life once again, and face judgment.

Deceased people who are not in Christ are resurrected at the end of the thousand years (yes).

Correct.

But at that time, some of these receive life (the resurrection of life), and some of these receive judgment and the second death (the resurrection of judgment.)

No, deceased people who are not in Christ are resurrected at the end of the thousand years and all of them face judgment!

If, by facing judgment, you simply mean that some are granted life (based on some of their deeds), and some are judged (as in condemned) to the second death (again, based on deeds as recorded in their individual scrolls from their lives), then sure.

Peace again.

Absolutely not!

ALL deceased nonbelievers are resurrected at the end of the thousand years and every one of them face judgment!

Absolutely no one will be granted everlasting life based on their works:

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, (2 Timothy 1:9)

Most of the people commenting on this thread appear to be ignoring Christ's own words:

"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned."


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Regardless of whether one receives eternal life or not, no one earned it. It is still a gift. It is still mercy. Sins are still being forgiven.

If we are in Christ, His blood covers us, our sins are forgiven in Him.

But a person might still have their sins covered... by LOVE.

Love covers over a multitude of sins. 1 Peter 4:8; Proverbs 10:12.

This, too, is merciful.

The sheep (from the sheep and the goats parable) are also invited into the Kingdom - not based on their faith - but based upon how they UNKNOWINGLY treated Christ. They fed Him, clothed Him, sheltered Him - completely unknowingly - because whatever one does (or does not do) for even a least of His brothers, one does (or does not do) for Him. And His brothers (including even a least of His brothers) could be anyone. The sheep do these things because the law - LOVE - is upon their hearts; and they prove by what they do that they are not His enemies.

Paul also speaks of such ones when He mentions those who do BY NATURE the requirements of the law, showing that the law (love) is written upon their hearts. Some have the law - love - naturally upon their heart.

Do not forget that Christ also said that if a person does not judge, that person will not be judged.
If a person is merciful, mercy will be shown them.

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These ones who will have received life (but who were not Christian) do not reign with Christ in His Kingdom for (at least) a thousand years. But they will be invited into the Kingdom and they will receive the GIFT of eternal life.

“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world."

Nowhere in that parable are the sheep invited in because of their faith - but rather because of their actions, their deeds, unknowingly having done good to Christ. Still a gift though.



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[myth-one.com]

Most of the people commenting on this thread appear to be ignoring Christ's own words:

"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned."

Jesus Christ lived under the original covenant between God and the Israelites. Under that covenant, one's good works to fulfill the commandments of God gained one everlasting life. That is, the wages of sin is death, so one had to be free of any sin to live forever.

So, Jesus correctly preached that one must obey all the commandments of God to gain everlasting life!

Guess what? That is not so any more!

Some of the things He said no longer apply because we are now under the New Testament Covenant!

You do not seem to understand that.

[tam]

Peace to you,

Most of the people commenting on this thread appear to be ignoring Christ's own words:

"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned."

Jesus Christ lived under the original covenant between God and the Israelites. Under that covenant, one's good works to fulfill the commandments of God gained one everlasting life. That is, the wages of sin is death, so one had to be free of any sin to live forever.

So, Jesus correctly preached that one must obey all the commandments of God to gain everlasting life!

Guess what? That is not so any more!

Some of the things He said no longer apply because we are now under the New Testament Covenant!

You do not seem to understand that.

Myth-one, if that was not going to happen, then He would not have told them that it IS going to happen. And yes, Christians are in the New Covenant (and receive life at the first resurrection, and there is no judgment for them). But there is an entire world of people (since the beginning) who take part in the second resurrection. Some rise to live and some rise to be condemned.


The sheep and the goats is also based upon deeds (as stated in the previous post).


And in Revelation, the dead (at the second resurrection) are judged according to what they HAD DONE.

For the Jws on the thread, and anyone else who might not have considered this:

HAD done = past tense; meaning what they had done PREVIOUS to their resurrection (during their life before they died).

For you, myth-one, and anyone else who might not have considered this:

Had DONE = deeds.


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[myth-one.com]

Peace to you,

Most of the people commenting on this thread appear to be ignoring Christ's own words:

"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned."

Jesus Christ lived under the original covenant between God and the Israelites. Under that covenant, one's good works to fulfill the commandments of God gained one everlasting life. That is, the wages of sin is death, so one had to be free of any sin to live forever.

So, Jesus correctly preached that one must obey all the commandments of God to gain everlasting life under that covenant! That is what He is telling them. They would be judged on their works to obey the commandments of God. Breaking a commandment was a sin and had to be forgiven or somehow atoned for.

Guess what? That is not so any more!

Some of the things He said no longer apply because we are now under the New Testament Covenant!

You do not seem to understand that.

Myth-one, if that was not going to happen, then He would not have told them that it IS going to happen.

At that time, under that original covenant with the Jews, that is what was planned to happen. Everyone would be resurrected and be judged on their works to fulfil the law.

Those who had obeyed the law would inherit everlasting life and those who sinned would inherit everlasting death:

Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

And yes, Christians are in the New Covenant (and receive life at the first resurrection, and there is no judgment for them). But there is an entire world of people (since the beginning) who take part in the second resurrection. Some rise to live and some rise to be condemned.

All who are resurrected in the second resurrection are nonbelievers and all of them are going to face judgment. 

The New Testament Covenant is between God and all mankind. Those resurrected in the second resurrection are humans and the covenant is an everlasting active covenant. Thus, those humans being judged can choose to accept or reject Jesus as their Savior during judgment.

And in Revelation, the dead (at the second resurrection) are judged according to what they HAD DONE.

Correct. The believers who were resurrected to everlasting life in the first resurrection may have been as sinful as those resurrected in the second resurrection. But since they were resurrected to everlasting life, the wages of sin (death) has no effect on them -- so judgment would be pointless. 

For the Jws on the thread, and anyone else who might not have considered this:

HAD done = past tense; meaning what they had done PREVIOUS to their resurrection (during their life before they died).

For you, myth-one, and anyone else who might not have considered this:

Had DONE = deeds.

Deeds is OK. I would probably use "works." Same thing.

You need to notice that after judgment the Book of Life is checked again for names.

Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Names of believers are written in the Book of Life.

But all who died as believers and all believers who were alive at the time of the Second Coming have been born again as spirits into the spiritual Kingdom of God.

That is, the Book was cleared of names before Judgment began.

Think about why are they checking the Book again?

[2timothy316]

MATTHEW 12:31, 32

“For this reason I say to you, every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come

I really don't see were there can be any question, Jesus made it clear that it was possible for someone to sin unforgivable "in this system" ie BEFORE Armageddon, so of course such s person forfeits any chance of future life.

God judges who such people are.

I don't see why a person gets to live again that has accurate knowledge of who God is and His plan for Heaven and Earth and they want nothing to do with it. I have had someone literately tell me they would rather be dead forever then live an eternity in paradise without being able to live their current lifestyle. They speak against the hold spirit, that is God's will. Sadly, this person is one of my own family members. However, I do not want a single person in paradise who doesn't want what Jehovah wants. Even if its a family member.

Even with all that said, JW is right, people can only judge by what they see with their eyes and hear with their ears. Jehovah sees the heart. (Isa 11:3,4) If my family member were to die today, I truly have no idea if they would be resurrected or not. If Jehovah wants them there, so be it, if He doesn't, so be it as well. If they are not, then they at least got to live life, which is a gift and not forced on or owed to anyone as some would believe.

[myth-one.com]

If my family member were to die today, I truly have no idea if they would be resurrected or not. If Jehovah wants them there, so be it, if He doesn't, so be it as well. If they are not, then they at least got to live life, which is a gift and not forced on or owed to anyone as some would believe.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Christians will be resurrected at the Second Coming, or "at his coming."

Non-Christians will be resurrected after the Millennium:

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. (Revelation 20:5)

If your Family member dies as a believer he will be resurrected at the Second Coming.

If your Family member dies as a nonbeliever he will be resurrected after the Millennium.

Now you know.

[tam]

Peace to you,

MATTHEW 12:31, 32

“For this reason I say to you, every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come

I really don't see were there can be any question, Jesus made it clear that it was possible for someone to sin unforgivable "in this system" ie BEFORE Armageddon, so of course such s person forfeits any chance of future life.

God judges who such people are.

I don't see why a person gets to live again that has accurate knowledge of who God is and His plan for Heaven and Earth and they want nothing to do with it.

This is assuming they actually have accurate knowledge of God (and His plan)... rather than that they have "accurate knowledge of what some men CLAIM to be God and His plan."

Regardless, however, Christ Himself said:

“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when ALL who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to livee, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned."

Do we believe Him or not?


Peace again to you.