Our Lady, a testable Prophetess of Islam

[assisigirl]

This subject requires a certain level of study and knowledge. I have used the following two links as a rescource for this discussion.

http://www.ediscoverislam.com/What-is-H ... -the-quran

http://www.catholicpilgrims.com/lourdes ... ourdes.htm

If you examine both revelations and the process involved it seems obvious to all that it is the same deity that is involved ie Allah.

The most obvious similarities are (1) the process of revelation over time.(2) The testable eye witness accounts of both makes it accessible to even the most cynical of readers. (3)The gravity of both revelations is very obvious as both of them are partly revealed to humans ie they are frightening. Many threads on this forum have attested to strange phenomena that are peculiar to our age that are forbodings of Allah's Judgement Day. The apparition of Our Lady at places like Lourdes and Medjugorge etc, act as reminders to us that Allah's fulfillment is nigh.

Is Our Lady, a prophetess of Allah, and a revelationary reminder of his Judgement?

[assisigirl]

CAN YOU NOT SEE THE CONNECTION HERE?

Bernadette site:
"I came back for a fortnight. The vision appeared every day, except one Monday and one Friday. She repeated to me several times that I was to tell the priests they were to build a Chapel there, and I was to go to the fountain to wash, and that I was to pray for sinners. During this fortnight, she told me three secrets which she forbade me to tell anyone. I have been faithful until now."

Quran site:
The rational person has every right to be doubtful, of course, if he or she has never read this book. For such people, here is a small sample of what the Final Book contains. Suppose we wanted to ask God several questions about Him and about ourselves. Short of Him speaking to us directly (such a privilege has been granted to only one person out of all humanity), the Book has the best answers one can find. It is on the strength of these answers that an honest person may be struck with the conviction that the Final Book is from none other than God Almighty. Again, here is only a small part of the information one might find.

Do you get it now! Faith before God Joey!

[assisigirl]

This show of faith before God is always open to ridicule and must be protected against falsification and simulation. Look at the connection here for example. I bring you these things to help you. Ignore my advice at your peril!

Quran:More on Falsification Test

In reference to the falsification tests mentioned earlier, it is interesting to note that they, too, relate to both the past and the present. Some of them were used as illustrations of Allah's omnipotence and knowledge, while others continue to stand as challenges to the present day. An example of the former is the statement made in the Quran about Abu Lahab. It clearly illustrates that Allah, the Knower of the Unseen, knew that Abu Lahab would never change his ways and accept Islam. Thus Allah dictated that he would be condemned to the Hellfire forever. Such a chapter was both an illustration of Allah's divine wisdom and a warning to those who were like Abu Lahab.


Our Lady being replicated, ie the moving statue phenomena.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZjM83wZmWw

This youtube video is unbelievable but true. Watch and be amazed

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 5:

CAN YOU NOT SEE THE CONNECTION HERE?

NO.

I fail to see what the bernadette deal has to do with the Quran deal, as you've mentioned.
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From Post 6:

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Ignore my advice at your peril!

I reject such threats as the ravings of the lost and inconsolable.

Again you present the Quran, without ever having established its veracity. I can qoute from Gone With The Wind, but it's still just a tale.

Our Lady being replicated, ie the moving statue phenomena.:


This youtube video is unbelievable but true. Watch and be amazed

I am amazed that one would accept the personal testimony of folks just 'cause they can utter a sentence.

I note that in the entire nine minutes and eighteen seconds of the video, that statue doesn't budge.

[assisigirl]

JoeyKnothead: Thank you for watching the video, Joey, I told you it was amazing. Are you suggesting that half the population of the country of Ireland are off their tree, that they do not know the difference between a moving statue and a real one?
Are you even suggesting that a divine revelation is not indeed a real fact. How much documentation do you need?, how many eye witnesses? Look at this logically?

Our Lady appears in Lourdes, she tells the people about God's plan for the future.The prophet receives the same insight in the Middle East, same process and same God, Allah.? Our Lady by definition is a prophetess for Allah warning all and sundry about Judgement Day. Simple as Joey!

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 7:

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Are you suggesting that half the population of the country of Ireland are off their tree...

No.

Are you suggesting they should be trusted simply 'cause it's a bunch of 'em carrying on?

that they do not know the difference between a moving statue and a real one?

No.

Are you suggesting that just 'cause someone declares something, that we should trust 'em just 'cause they have a voice box?

Are you even suggesting that a divine revelation is not indeed a real fact.

I'm suggesting that if the statue in the video moved, that ain't it goofy as all get out it just can't muster up a movement while the camera's on.

How much documentation do you need?

I'd settle for one piece, but demand it be a reliable piece. Video of people making claims should not be considered a valid reason for thinking this statue moved.

how many eye witnesses?

So far all I've got is people in a video swearing up and down a statue moved, and all the while, that statue just can't seem to move at all when the camera is pointed in its direction.

Look at this logically?

I'm trying to, without your insistence I accept claims just 'cause they got uttered.

Our Lady appears in Lourdes...

Let me guess, she's as camera shy as that statue.

she tells the people about God's plan for the future.

I've yet to meet anyone who can reliably show they know the mind of any god.

The prophet receives the same insight in the Middle East, same process and same God, Allah.?

Beats me. I've yet to see any reliable data to suggest folks in the Middle East are seeing them a camera shy statue.

Our Lady by definition is a prophetess for Allah warning all and sundry about Judgement Day.

I can define a train to be good eating, but that shouldn't lead the observer to stand in the middle of the tracks hoping to catch 'em one.

Simple as Joey!

I caution against the use of such a term as "simple", lest we expose ourselves as ignorant to the complex.

[assisigirl]

Once again, as my sole contributor here, Joey, I thank you.

Let's get a bit real about this.
People believe in things for reasons that are more complex than anyone can imagine. People support football teams, people believe in romance, etc...

There is nothing on this earth to compare with the fervour of belief that exists for the Quran of Islam and for Our Lady of Catholicism. The poor and downtrodden of these two monolithic entities cling to these dual beliefs with a realism that even you Joey cannot deny. What else is like this?

Admit to the following all who read this.

The Prophet and Our Lady are the two great pillars that support the arch of the gateway to the Eternity of the great God Allah!

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 10:

Once again, as my sole contributor here, Joey, I thank you.

Let's don't forget your own contributions, and how folks might be mighty 'preciative for it.

Let's get a bit real about this.
People believe in things for reasons that are more complex than anyone can imagine. People support football teams, people believe in romance, etc...

Okay.

There is nothing on this earth to compare with the fervour of belief that exists for the Quran of Islam and for Our Lady of Catholicism.

It should be obvious to all that you've never seen what happens when the ol' lady dresses up in them frillies and declares it do everything Joey wants to do night.

The poor and downtrodden of these two monolithic entities cling to these dual beliefs with a realism that even you Joey cannot deny. What else is like this?

An entire planet thinking the moon ain't there, and then waiting to watch it fall from the sky.

Admit to the following all who read this.

I'll not be bound to accept your demands, lest you can show those demands worthy of accepting.

The Prophet and Our Lady are the two great pillars that support the arch of the gateway to the Eternity of the great God Allah!

I see no reason to conclude such is the case, based on the data you have thusfar presented. Asserting something, nay demanding that all admit to it, is not showing one speaks truth.

It's preaching, and if that's the best you can do, I dare say there's no need to even buy a ticket, much less hop on the train.

[assisigirl]

Hi Joey:

I want to level with you here. I was going to let this thing run until April 1st. I pulled this entire nonsense of a thread from the far flung reaches of the planet, Rectillium. I did this for several reasons, none of which was to trick you. Your contributions here have been sincere and well intended.

(1)I wanted to see how hard it would be to make a case for the bizarre, Joey. Don't take my word for it, it is very very very very easy.
(2) I have argued against stuff from Rectillium here for months now and I decided to infiltrate their mindsets.
(3)I have almost despaired of trying to influence their thinking.
(4)Look at it this way Joey, not a Catholic in sight, not an Islamist in sight. These people know a banana skin when they see one. This does not stop them creating these monstrosities of threads themselves. Just read down the menu that is currently available on the forum now. My personal favourite is this one, made yesterday, 'Is Jesus both God and prophet according to Christians' This is from a Muslim who couldn't care less about Christians and who couldn't answer one question I asked him

So Joey , all that was left here were two God fearing atheists 'shooting the breeze' like Icarus and Daedalus, so to speak. Accept my apology for any brain cells you wasted on this nonsense, I particularly liked the You Tube on the moving statues of Ireland. Joey, any suggestions for flying the breeze that you can think of, run with it. 'Was the Celtic Tiger a creature of the Apocalypse'? Start it with a picture and a quote from Revelation and it will all come to you. I swear. Bye, Joey.

This relates to the topic of whether or not it is possible to have honest debate on a forum like this. The nub of this issue is 'acting in good faith'. In many, many cases here you see threads with biased agendas which are not constructed to create a real exchange of thought. How can you vet this, I don't know.

[southern cross]

Hi Joey:

I want to level with you here. I was going to let this thing run until April 1st. I pulled this entire nonsense of a thread from the far flung reaches of the planet, Rectillium. I did this for several reasons, none of which was to trick you. Your contributions here have been sincere and well intended.

(1)I wanted to see how hard it would be to make a case for the bizarre, Joey. Don't take my word for it, it is very very very very easy.
(2) I have argued against stuff from Rectillium here for months now and I decided to infiltrate their mindsets.
(3)I have almost despaired of trying to influence their thinking.
(4)Look at it this way Joey, not a Catholic in sight, not an Islamist in sight. These people know a banana skin when they see one. This does not stop them creating these monstrosities of threads themselves. Just read down the menu that is currently available on the forum now. My personal favourite is this one, made yesterday, 'Is Jesus both God and prophet according to Christians' This is from a Muslim who couldn't care less about Christians and who couldn't answer one question I asked him

So Joey , all that was left here were two God fearing atheists 'shooting the breeze' like Icarus and Daedalus, so to speak. Accept my apology for any brain cells you wasted on this nonsense, I particularly liked the You Tube on the moving statues of Ireland. Joey, any suggestions for flying the breeze that you can think of, run with it. 'Was the Celtic Tiger a creature of the Apocalypse'? Start it with a picture and a quote from Revelation and it will all come to you. I swear. Bye, Joey.

This relates to the topic of whether or not it is possible to have honest debate on a forum like this. The nub of this issue is 'acting in good faith'. In many, many cases here you see threads with biased agendas which are not constructed to create a real exchange of thought. How can you vet this, I don't know.

I have to say HUZZAH
I need at least 2 lines
So I dips me lid
Yeah I can't count.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 12:

I want to level with you here. I was going to let this thing run until April 1st. I pulled this entire nonsense of a thread from the far flung reaches of the planet, Rectillium.

I love you. I can 'preciate a good joke, even if it ends with me having pie all over me.

I've seen some of your previous exchanges with certain un-named individuals, and after you posted this OP, I was thinking those exchanges were the ones that were the put-ons, especially considering your name.

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Accept my apology for any brain cells you wasted on this nonsense
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I'm so confused now, I can't tell if you're sincere, or rubbing it in that I fell for it

This relates to the topic of whether or not it is possible to have honest debate on a forum like this. The nub of this issue is 'acting in good faith'. In many, many cases here you see threads with biased agendas which are not constructed to create a real exchange of thought. How can you vet this, I don't know.

I think you risk your own credibility when you admit your OP was not in good faith, but then bemoan the fact that some folks don't act in good faith (but I'll go to my grave saying you punked me bad as any punkin' I ever had).

My position is that no matter how goofy the assertion, the theist often believes it, so there's no need in presenting what is ostensibly a strawman argument in order to argue these various matters.

Let the theists present their case, and let's hammer that. Not made up issues.

But the ol' lady's sure gonna love hearing this'n.