Does Anyone still take the Noah's Ark Fable literally?

[Diogenes]

Does Anyone still take the Noah's Ark Fable literally?
Does Anyone still take the Noah's Ark Fable literally?
Asking because how and why would Noah have collected the approximately 140,000 species of flies in the world today?
Or the more than 3000 species of mosquitoes?
Not to mention disease causing viruses, parasites, and bacteria like Mycobacterium leprae or Mycobacterium lepromatosis that cause leprosy?
I mean, did they collect this stuff in petri dishes or did God lead Noah to choose infected animals?

[Clownboat]

The idea that I don't accept, @Clownboat, is that the Bible is just people trying to explain what they don't understand.

It is that, but not only that as it is also religious promotional material.
Why are we here? The Bible answers this unknowable question.
How did we get here? The Bible answers this unknowable question.
What happens when we die? The Bible answers this unknowable question.
What happens to our loved ones that are no longer with us? The Bible answers this unknowable question.
You reject what is plain to see in order to pretend that the Bible is special when compared to other religious promotional material that exists.

Instead, the Bible is countercultural in condemning human rebellion against him

You must first believe that you are sick before you will take the medicine.
Human rebellion against a god concept is the sickness your religions has foster upon you. Once you accept this via faith, you convince yourself that you need medicine.
I don't think you suffer from any 'sickness' myself. I suppose I could believe such a thing if I employed faith though, but that would be silly don't you think?

presenting the ancestors' faults, and showing that there are many mysteries about the true God, who cannot be fully understood.

The underlined is just a lame cop out. When things don't make sense the the Bible, the "God works in mysterious ways" excuse is then employed. In reality, it is just a defense mechanism that is in place in order to help maintain preconceived religious beliefs that generally speaking, people hold due to where they were born on this planet. Odd way to arrive on a god concept don't you think?

[Clownboat]

True knowledge is a personal relationship with our Creator, @Clownboat;

I must reject this definition for being outright ludicrous. True knowledge would be knowledge that is true. To claim that true knowledge is actually a relationship with the god concept a person happens to prefer, generally due to where they were born on this planet is just self indoctrination IMO and an unjustified statement.

his gift of faith to believe in him;

I have already argued this and you have failed to address it.
Faith is required in order to believe that something false is actually true. Therefore it is not a valid path to discovering truths.
Can I apply faith in fairies as the cause of our universe? I sure can.
Can I apply faith in the Muslim or Hindu creation stories? I sure can.
Can I apply faith that the sun will appear to rise tomorrow? Negative, as I use reason (many years of witnessing this event) to expect this outcome.
Therefore we should use reason to arrive at truth claims and not by just deciding to place faith in some idea.

and the biblical, historical events of Jesus' death and bodily resurrection

What!? What historical events are available for examination that claim Jesus rose from the dead after having a body with organs that had begun to liquify after 3 days?
I fear that faith is required and not reason, but I await your reply.

as God's only way to find his rescue in this life and the next one.

Those that have not convinced themselves or been indoctrinated to believe that they are sick will not need this rescue that you feel you need. In this life or the next. This is your burden to bare.

Like a cruise on a ship for that purpose, humans have been Launched but have been Lost. God has Loved them as Creator and as believers, Landed true Christians by giving them forgiveness and eternal life through Jesus' death and resurrection in order to enable them to lead Loving lives.

This sounds like preaching, which is against the rules. So I will assume that I am mistaken about that and await for you to show that you speak the truth here.
Much appreciated!

[BruceLeiter]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #42]

The ancient, historical documents that witness to Jesus' resurrection, @Clownboat, are the four gospels by two eyewitnesses and two close friends of eyewitnesses. They agree on the historical fact that Jesus rose from the dead after dying parts of three days earlier.

My presentation of the five "Ls" is not preaching; it is merely as summary of the message of the Bible. That's all.

[BruceLeiter]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #42]

@Clownboat, the Bible's own definition of the word "knowledge" in terms of believing humans related to God is a personal relationship. I define biblical words the way it presents them, not according to my culture.

[Tcg]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #42]

The ancient, historical documents that witness to Jesus' resurrection, @Clownboat, are the four gospels by two eyewitnesses and two close friends of eyewitnesses. They agree on the historical fact that Jesus rose from the dead after dying parts of three days earlier.

My presentation of the five "Ls" is not preaching; it is merely as summary of the message of the Bible. That's all.

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[BruceLeiter]

[Replying to Tcg in post #45]

@Tcg, exactly how have I broken that rule with any of my posts? I am not trying to give scientific information based on the Bible, but the question is about Noah's Ark, and biblical information is still in order as a result, isn't it? I don't tell others that they have to believe the way I do; that's entirely up to them. I just don't get your connection between my posts and the rule. Please enlighten me. Thanks.

[Tcg]

[Replying to BruceLeiter in post #46]

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