Is Christianity responsible for denying women's rights?

[Flail]

The political history of the United States includes relatively few women compared to the number of men. Women did not have the right to vote for the first 140 years of our existence as a country. No woman has ever held the office of President or Vice President and very few have served in high office. Women's history as leaders in Christianity is similarly deficient.

Often we hear criticisms of Islam for treating women as second class citizens. Is Christianity the same, having advanced further to combat religious discrimination against women by reason of simply getting an earlier start?

Question for debate: Is Christianity responsible for the shameful history of women's rights in America?

[forumwarrior]

No woman has ever held the office of President or Vice President and very few have served in high office.

praise the lord for that, brother. the last thing we need is a female commander in chief. it amazes the hell out of me that anybody takes people like sarah palin and michelle bachman seriously. all theyre doing is distracting from the REAL candidates.

as far as the question. no. christianity has nothing to do with any "shameful" history of womens rights.

first of all, there is nothing shameful about the united states treatment of women.

second of all. if we were a nation of godless heathen instead of the christian nation that we are (yes, were a christian nation) women would have still been subjugated. its nature. MEN have ruled the world so long as there has been a world.

i find nothing shameful about that. nothing christian about that either.

[Question Everything]

if we were a nation of godless heathen instead of the christian nation that we are (yes, were a christian nation)...

Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary.

Article 11.

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, " as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, " and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Maybe you were referring to Colonial days, like when we had the Salem witch trials?

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 6:

No woman has ever held the office of President or Vice President and very few have served in high office.

praise the lord for that, brother. the last thing we need is a female commander in chief. it amazes the hell out of me that anybody takes people like sarah palin and michelle bachman seriously. all theyre doing is distracting from the REAL candidates.

While I wouldn't be praisin' the lord about the lack of viable female candidates, I must admit to disdain for them two.

as far as the question. no. christianity has nothing to do with any "shameful" history of womens rights.

first of all, there is nothing shameful about the united states treatment of women.

One wonders what Susan B Anthony may have to allow here.

second of all. if we were a nation of godless heathen instead of the christian nation that we are (yes, were a christian nation) women would have still been subjugated.
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That we are a "christian nation" is open to individual interpretation.

its nature. MEN have ruled the world so long as there has been a world.

Yet we gotta take out the trash.

i find nothing shameful about that. nothing christian about that either.

Agreed. I don't think you're shamed about any of your notions here, but I do find it typically Christian of you to speak in such a fashion.

[100%atheist]

Question for debate: Is Christianity responsible for the shameful history of women's rights in America?

No, I don't think it makes sense to put blame on Christianity. Religions were always used to justify injustice, racism, discrimination. Christianity is no exception.

[SomePunk]

The political history of the United States includes relatively few women compared to the number of men. Women did not have the right to vote for the first 140 years of our existence as a country. No woman has ever held the office of President or Vice President and very few have served in high office. Women's history as leaders in Christianity is similarly deficient.

Often we hear criticisms of Islam for treating women as second class citizens. Is Christianity the same, having advanced further to combat religious discrimination against women by reason of simply getting an earlier start?

Question for debate: Is Christianity responsible for the shameful history of women's rights in America?

No, there have been a lot of women throughout history in America who have made remarkable achievements and are well known today. Actually, show me a reference in a the bible, new testament, that scorns, or belittles women.

[forumwarrior]

if we were a nation of godless heathen instead of the christian nation that we are (yes, were a christian nation)...

Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary.

Article 11.

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, " as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, " and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Maybe you were referring to Colonial days, like when we had the Salem witch trials?

BAHAHAHA!

what a silly thing to cite. if you want to argue about whether or not we are a christian nation (we are a christian nation) hows about you start a new topic. id be more than happy to correct your misconceptions.

this thread is about the disgusting idea that the united states is shameful because it took time to grant women "equality."

[SomePunk]

if we were a nation of godless heathen instead of the christian nation that we are (yes, were a christian nation)...

Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary.

Article 11.

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, " as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, " and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Maybe you were referring to Colonial days, like when we had the Salem witch trials?

BAHAHAHA!

what a silly thing to cite. if you want to argue about whether or not we are a christian nation (we are a christian nation) hows about you start a new topic. id be more than happy to correct your misconceptions.

this thread is about the disgusting idea that the united states is shameful because it took time to grant women "equality."

America is not a Christian Nation. Just because the majority of religious people are Christians, doesn't mean America is a christian nation. America is a nation that allows for the free exercise of religion, not any one religion.

[McCulloch]

The political history of the United States includes relatively few women compared to the number of men. Women did not have the right to vote for the first 140 years of our existence as a country. No woman has ever held the office of President or Vice President and very few have served in high office.

If it makes you feel any better, much of the West is not a whole lot better, and Muslim states are a whole lot worse. My country has had only one female Prime Minister and she was not elected to that post.

Women's history as leaders in Christianity is similarly deficient.

At least in the mainstream. Haven't you heard of Ellen G. White (Seventh-day Adventist) or Mary Baker Eddy (Christian Science)?

Often we hear criticisms of Islam for treating women as second class citizens. Is Christianity the same, having advanced further to combat religious discrimination against women by reason of simply getting an earlier start?

When one reads the social histories of the struggle for women's votes in North America, one notices that many of the opponents used Christian theology to make their case and that many of the proponents were actively against Christianity (Elizabeth Cady Stanton) or not mainstream orthodox Christian (Susan B Anthony, a Quaker).

Is Christianity responsible for the shameful history of women's rights in America?

It is responsible for supporting the wrong side of this debate.

We need a third party.

That is probably not going to happen without reducing the power of the winner-take-all presidential system and implementing some form of proportional representation in Congress.

The bottom 50% pays zero tax.

Really? Do you have support for this?

praise the lord for that, brother. the last thing we need is a female commander in chief.

Other than your own prejudice, do you have any reason why a woman would not be suitable for this job?

show me a reference in a the bible, new testament, that scorns, or belittles women.

1 Corinthians 11:3
[font=Georgia]But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. [/font]

1 Corinthians 11:7-9
[font=Georgia]For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; for indeed man was not created for the womans sake, but woman for the mans sake. [/font]

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
[font=Georgia]The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. [/font]

1 Timothy 2:9-15
[font=Georgia]Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness. A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint. [/font]

[SomePunk]

show me a reference in a the bible, new testament, that scorns, or belittles women.

1 Corinthians 11:3
[font=Georgia]But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. [/font]

1 Corinthians 11:7-9
[font=Georgia]For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; for indeed man was not created for the womans sake, but woman for the mans sake. [/font]

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
[font=Georgia]The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. [/font]

1 Timothy 2:9-15
[font=Georgia]Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness. A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint. [/font]

Well I will give you some credit.
This is from the new testament.
But it isn't the teachings of Christ or that of Christianity.
It is just some opinionated ramblings made by some random people in the bible.

[notachance]

show me a reference in a the bible, new testament, that scorns, or belittles women.

1 Corinthians 11:3
[font=Georgia]But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. [/font]

1 Corinthians 11:7-9
[font=Georgia]For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; for indeed man was not created for the womans sake, but woman for the mans sake. [/font]

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
[font=Georgia]The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. [/font]

1 Timothy 2:9-15
[font=Georgia]Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness. A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint. [/font]

Well I will give you some credit.
This is from the new testament.
But it isn't the teachings of Christ or that of Christianity.
It is just some opinionated ramblings made by some random people in the bible.

You do realize that NONE of the words in the Bible are the teachings of Christ, right? Because none of the people who wrote the Bible ever met Jesus Christ, or ever met anybody who had ever met Jesus Christ.

You realize this, right? The New testament is the work of anonymous authors writing between 30 and 300 years after Jesus had already died.

We know for a fact that several portions of the Gospels themselves, such as for example the entire Mark 16 is a forgery written centuries after the bulk of Mark.

Furthermore, you write this about those awful sexist passages: "It is just some opinionated ramblings made by some random people in the bible".

Sir, that is SO wrong. You are so wrong. You could scream 2+2=5 for the next 10 years, and you wouldn't be any more wrong than you already are wrong right now. You are as wrong as it is humanly possibly for any individual to be wrong. you are at the center of a black hole of wrongness.

Most of the passages quote are from St Paul the Apostle, the most influential figure in Christianity after Jesus Christ himself.

The fact that you would call the words of St Paul, the single most prolific New Testament author (responsible for more than half of the New Testament), "some opinionated ramblings made by some random people in the bible" betrays an ignorance the profundity of which is truly staggering.

Also, what happened to "The Bible is inspired by God"? Are you rejecting the notion that the Bible is the word of God? Are you saying that God is not omnipotent, and therefore was simply unable to prevent those sexist horrible words from making it into the Bible?

Is that how it works? When you want to convince us that some portion of the Bible is true, then you say "AH! HOW DARE YOU REJECT THAT. THAT IS THE WORD OF THE ALMIGHTY YAHWEH! ANYBODY WHO DISAGREES SHALL BURN IN ETERNAL FIRE!", but then when we point to a portion of the Bible that is horrible, then you just say "Oh well, that's jut some opinionated rambling by some random guy"?

The inconsistency and hypocrisy is monumental.